Apple employees criticize work-from-home policy in open letter

Post by dml2135 » Tue, May 03, 2022, 6:54 PM UTC

Tiktaalik wrote: post #429

jakenberg wrote: post #376

Apple is in a very tough spot. A $5bn headquarters sits relatively vacant with decreasing likelihood that there will be a return on investment. They ironically dug themselves into a hole by preaching how it would revolutionize the workplace while most feel this way about WFH. The paradigm shift seems obvious, especially when you account for the unrelenting rise in commercial real estate prices since Covid. Perhaps Ap…

Apple fucked themselves by embracing the status quo of silicon valley commuter car culture. It's hard not to notice that so many of the complaints around return to work from SV area posters centre around commuting woes. If SV cities were compact, walkable places where people could easily walk, bike and take transit to work returning to work wouldn't cause so much grief. People are upset at the notion of a return to a…

Post by engineeringwoke » Tue, May 03, 2022, 6:55 PM UTC

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engineeringwoke wrote: post #473

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but these are very rare things. The person you originally responded to did not mean anything against anyone who has these things. I've met many people in my life that were convinced they were unable to do things that they were quite capable of. Stephen Hawking was still quite expressive despite his limitations, although they did come later in life

They ignored that class of individual in their response; individuals who exist and who I've personally worked with and do continue to work with. > Stephen Hawking was still quite expressive despite his limitations, although they did come later in life He's a fantastic example of why you don't need to rely on body language to communicate emotion and feeling.

Post by Spooky23 » Tue, May 03, 2022, 6:59 PM UTC

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From the OC: "They said that Apple's reasons for implementing the policy don't stand up, and that the policy is wasteful, inflexible and will lead to a "younger, whiter, more male-dominated, more neuro-normative, more able-bodied" workforce." I, for one, have no idea what neuro-normative means. Anywho, u/EricE isn't agreeing or disagreeing. They're just advising that people can just state their preference plainly, no…

> I, for one, have no idea what neuro-normative means. Having no psychological/developmental conditionals recognized by the DSM

Post by systemvoltage » Tue, May 03, 2022, 7:02 PM UTC

EricE wrote: post #359

Neuro normative? Good grief. They don't want to work in the office - no need to gobbledygook it up in some bizarre appeal to authority. I can say as someone who now works full time remote while also geographically isolated, it's not all a bed of roses. I do miss the serendipitous hallway conversations - some of the best directions in my career came from those spontaneous and unplanned in person interactions. I'm towa…

Post by systemvoltage » Tue, May 03, 2022, 7:04 PM UTC

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azth wrote: post #141

> and that the policy is wasteful, inflexible and will lead to a "younger, whiter, more male-dominated, more neuro-normative, more able-bodied" workforce. Does anyone take tossing around words like this seriously anymore? I am pro working remotely, but this is just ridiculous.

Why is it ridiculous? It seems very, very obvious to me. Younger = less likely to have a family so commutes are not as big of an issue + the many responsibilities of having a kid that are easier to manage wfh Whiter = this is the one that I have the least contextual evidence for off the top of my head, but feel safe assuming it's at least partially true given the other factors Male-Dominated = the kid issues raised a…