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Re: San Francisco cops pull over a Cruise driverless car for no lights on

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Post by jjav » Wed, Apr 13, 2022, 7:04 AM UTC

Johnny555 wrote: post #383

kadoban wrote: post #251

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That teenage driver goes through a training and certification process, and we have ways of stopping them from driving if they fuck up too badly. They also have liability for their actions. Most of those are lacking or at least inconsistent, for AI driving.

I don't know where you live, but my "training and certification process" was mom driving with me for a few weeks, then I went to the driver testing office, drove around a closed course, proved I could stay on my side of the road, stop at a stop sign, and parallel park. Then I got my license without ever being tested at over 25mph. Even with the state of today's technology, I'd trust a driverless car more than I'd tru…

> Even with the state of today's technology, I'd trust a driverless car more than I'd trust a new teen driver.

No way. Yes, the driver education in the USA is appalling. It should be much more thorough and cover a lot more ground, particularly emergency manouvers and car control.

Nonetheless, a human driver has self-preservation instincts which are very deeply hardwired into the brain. Software has nothing like it, if it has a bug it will crash and take out whatever and whoever is in the way since it doesn't have, can't have, any emotion or self-preservation.

Re: San Francisco cops pull over a Cruise driverless car for no lights on

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Post by jjav » Wed, Apr 13, 2022, 7:24 AM UTC

carabiner wrote: post #287

jwr wrote: post #72

I am really worried by the fact that I am the unwilling tester in the Great Driverless Car Experiment. Tradition has it that when you load-test a new bridge, you put the architect underneath. I feel like this, except I didn't design those driverless cars, somebody else did. Being an experienced software engineer, my trust in the software in these cars is pretty low. And yet they are testing them on me, because I can…

You didn't design the aircraft that you fly on, which are incredibly computerized. Also the drugs that your doctor prescribes. Etc. You put your faith in myriad bureaucracies and trust networks that you have no hope of understanding. Driverless cars are just one more added to the list.

> Driverless cars are just one more added to the list.

As others have pointed out, aircraft certification (while it has its problems) is very rigorous. Driverless car certification, up to date, is basically nothing.

But the other aspect is that aircraft autopilots are solving a far easier problem. Developing a car autopilot for busy streets is many orders of magnitude more difficult than an airplane (or boat) autopilot.

Re: San Francisco cops pull over a Cruise driverless car for no lights on

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Post by virgilp » Wed, Apr 13, 2022, 8:59 AM UTC

dsr_ wrote: post #495

virgilp wrote: post #384

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I don't want to defend him, what he did was *wrong*. He should absolutely face consequences for gross over-reaction. I never said his response was reasonable given the circumstances. But the way the story was presented was extremely biased. I believe the US cops are trained to actually use the "pit" maneuver to stop offenders who otherwise refuse to stop. In this case, he should've known better - but one can totally…

I think that it doesn't matter whether it was 'provoked' or not: the police should be professionals who prioritize public safety above all else, and this is a total failure.

Ok, let me retry:

> An Arkansas woman says she had no safe place to pull over in July 2020

The Arkansas woman was lying. That's it. I was not defending the cop, and never did I claim he was behaving professionally.

Still. The Arkansas woman was lying. She had plenty of safe space to pull over. Seemed relevant to me.

Re: San Francisco cops pull over a Cruise driverless car for no lights on

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Post by AvocadoPanic » Sun, Apr 24, 2022, 3:52 PM UTC

eru wrote: post #166

AvocadoPanic wrote: post #105

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Can we have lawn darts back if we suspend the darts that maim or kill?

You can't even have Kinder Surprise..

Sometimes the Indian supermarket has contraband imported Kinder Surprise, not the shitty domestic versions.