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Re: Open source ‘protestware’ harms Open Source

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I just don't understand what Western governments were thinking when they sanctioned Russian businesses. "Hm, maybe if I put laws into the books that destroy the economy of a country and drives people in a certain geopolitical region into poverty, the countless innocent citizens that affected will realize what they did wrong! Wait, who am I actually targeting again?" Oh wait.

Poverty and economic distress, deliberately exacerbated by the West, was what took down the USSR... and the fall of the USSR was one of the great achievements of the 2nd half of the 20th century.

Exactly, demonstrating how laughable the comments here are. Malware is somehow supposed to be worse than the far more painful sanctions, it's fascinating to see how detached from reality many commenters here are.

Both the sanctions and wiper malware targeting Russia are good things.

Re: Open source ‘protestware’ harms Open Source

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> If you think Putin wouldn't use that to rally Russia and launch a massive war, you haven't observed Putin for long. Do you believe that node-ipc would do this but the current vastly more impactful sanctions regime wont? Also, everybody capable of thinking understands that Russia isn't capable of launching another "massive war" when it already has almost all of its conventional combat power committed to Ukraine. If…

>Do you believe that node-ipc would do this but the current vastly more impactful sanctions regime wont? >There's no other kind of "massive war" he could launch at this point. Russian society isn't anywhere near enthusiastic. That's why Putin has been searching for ever dumber excuses. Give him an actual indefensible incident to rally society around, and he'll get a lot more manpower. That could expand the war to Ode…

>Russian society isn't anywhere near enthusiastic. That's why Putin has been searching for ever dumber excuses. Give him an actual indefensible incident to rally society around, and he'll get a lot more manpower. That could expand the war to Odessa and Moldova, and also 'retaliatory' cyberwar in the West.

That's just absurd fanfic. Sending in untrained "manpower" with no equipment would not help advance Russian goals.

"Cyberwar"? Russia has never before needed any excuses to unleash wiper worms like NotPetya onto the whole world.

>It's attacking civilians as to influence their government

Exactly like sanctions. Are you against sanctions too? If not, how do you explain that inconsistency?

Re: Open source ‘protestware’ harms Open Source

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I just don't understand what the node-ipc dev was expecting when he did that. "Hm, maybe if I put malware into a community-trusted module that destroys files of people in a certain geopolitical region, the countless innocent citizens that are affected will realize what they did wrong! Wait, who am I actually targeting again?"

Yeah well most software developers, just like most people, would rather engage in warfare with their fellow working-class man than the man, which is unfortunate because that should be everyone's target - not one another. We should be asking ourselves how can we write software the frees us from the tyranny of government, and instead helps us to foster self-reliant, communities of support and mutual-aid, which serve the best interests of those who participate in them.

These are the tenants of anarcho-communism and FOSS - not sticking it to Russia and cheering on the dumping of weapons into a war zone...

Re: Open source ‘protestware’ harms Open Source

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What HN does is less obtrusive, less likely to stoke heated division amongst its users, and more relevant to the content of the site.

> What HN does is less obtrusive Agree. I often have to click around to figure out why the black bar has shown up. > less likely to stoke heated division amongst its users This is interesting. Why does #BlackLivesMatter stoke heated division among HN users? And what does that say about the community that has been built here? > and more relevant to the content of the site I'm sure I don't agree. As the world moves fur…

> This is interesting. Why does #BlackLivesMatter stoke heated division among HN users? And what does that say about the community that has been built here?

It would stoke heated division because different users see that slogan has having different connotations. What it says about the community is that it's actually a fairly diverse community, at least in terms of their beliefs (and very likely in other respects).

> ...Software is growing to touch every part of human existence, and it's probably actually dangerous for hackers to traipse through life ignorant of that fact...

HN does not need to hang up a #BLM banner in a cheap act of virtue signaling for us as hackers to grapple with the impact we have on society. Indeed, such an act would impede productive conversations.

Re: Open source ‘protestware’ harms Open Source

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While it's unreasonable to expect europeans to freeze to death to protect ukranians, I think there's a middle ground between "business as usual" and "protect ukraine at all costs" that's not being considered here. Specifically, turning the temperature down to 5-10°C and wearing a coat. I doubt you'll be freezing to death in those circumstances. Is there widespread effort by europeans to do this? If not, then the pare…

I'm in Europe and I'd happily wear a jacket and a winter cap indoors. And people could go by bus, subway, ride share, so less oil and gas needed for transportation. And energy intensive industries could close for a while. Is it really more important to continue producing more cars, for example, than to try to stop the war?

> I'm in Europe and I'd happily wear a jacket and a winter cap indoors.

That's the theory. Here is probably what would happen in practice: all the people that have disposable income will swallow the cost. All the people who can't swallow the cost will pour in their last savings for a few more hours of warmth. Those who can't will start rioting, especially when their children start coughing. It's hard to tell your child "put on a jacket, dad can't pay to keep you warm" when little Jimmy next door goes to a Safari next easter. There is only so much inequality you can accept before resorting to violence. I think it's better to ensure everyone can - at least - eat, sleep, keep warm and get some access to some entertainment.

> And people could go by bus, subway, ride share, so less oil and gas needed for transportation.

In practice, many people just can't do that. Either because those transport options do' not work or aren't ready yet. Think of Mr. Electrician who goes around the city in his van fixing peoples home. If he is forced to take the bus, he needs to reduce his client base to what's accessible by bus, he can do less client per day. Or he can pay for the gas and keep his activity. Or he can just let it go and ask for welfare, increasing the burden on social security for someone who is perfectly willing, able and qualified to work if not for high gas prices. Many low earning workers will have to make a choice between going to work, and going to unemployment. We have already started to see people making that choice with the current gas prices.

Of course, highly qualified profile who are already well paid will negotiate with their employers so that the companies swallow those added costs. Most companies will have no choice but to agree. So the people on the roads will be in the "already rich" category.

All in all, this would just increase the disparity between the upper and lower class. The upper class will swallow those cost by just saving a bit less, but generally keeping their lifestyle. The lower class will be hit the hardest, by having their spending power reduced and/or being moved to unemployment. One of these groups will benefit more of the economic recovery if/when prices goes down - you can guess which one.

Re: Open source ‘protestware’ harms Open Source

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Open source (and by extension a large chunk of software industry) runs on the expectation that people won't do random disruptive things even if it is plainly stated in the license that there is no such guarantee. Perhaps we should move away from this expectation (and events such as these will certainly accelerate the transition), but this is the current state of affairs.

> Open source (and by extension a large chunk of software industry) runs on the expectation that people won't do random disruptive things even if it is plainly stated in the license that there is no such guarantee. Counterpoint: much of our industry is often described as being in the business of disruptive technology. It's been educational for me to watch how developers are reacting when they're on the receiving end…

There's industry disruption and there's bs like this. If I threw in a random CTD and called it "DISRUPTION" , I'd be rightly laughed out of the room.

Re: Open source ‘protestware’ harms Open Source

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Considering that HN skews Libertarian, I'm a bit surprised by the anger directed at people excercising control over projects they own.

I guess it's easier for folks here to empathize with why a level of restraints over ownership for "the common good" when it's an open source library they imagine using.

Re: Open source ‘protestware’ harms Open Source

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You’re at war. Maybe you don’t realize it because you can still go on with your life as if nothing was happening. It’s not a trendy thing, it won’t go away because of some random trendy thing. HNers annoyance couldn’t be more irrelevant. And people are still getting killed because the world has decided that this war , as bad as it is, shouldn’t interfere with business too much. People are still getting killed because…

Are we still talking about BLM? Because I regret to inform you it has already gone away. The city where I lived published their provisional crimes stats for 2021 and it looks like murder rates have gone up. Most of that is gang related and black on black. Not only has the city not “defunded” the police department they’re looking to purchase what can only be described as a tank from a Homeland Security grant. There ar…

Well, it burned down a few cities, that's got to count for something.

Re: Open source ‘protestware’ harms Open Source

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Considering that HN skews Libertarian, I'm a bit surprised by the anger directed at people excercising control over projects they own. I guess it's easier for folks here to empathize with why a level of restraints over ownership for "the common good" when it's an open source library they imagine using.

Libertarians oppose fraud. Software that deletes your files on purpose, in a context where people reasonably expect it not to delete your files on purpose, is fraud unless thete's a notice on it prominent enough to make the expectation not reasonable.
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