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Re: Asian-Americans fight back against school discrimination

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You lost me at 'parents'. I grew up poor as shit in a single parent household. Food stamps. Hand me down clothes. My mom made damn sure that I went to the best possible schools, did all of the afterschool programs (including the expensive ones like band) and went to summer camp. She had to beg, borrow, save and sacrifice to make sure that happened. If you grew up in a two parent household you're already significantly…

I've got no interest in playing "who had it worse" but I think two or four or even a hundred apathetic parents put a child at more of a disadvantage than a single parent that actually cares. My parents had literally zero involvement in my education. I was never helped with homework let alone walked through the college application process. My friend literally paid the $50 application fee for me because I couldn't get…

I can't speak to individual circumstances. I've certainly seen your situation and know that it happens. Just in aggregate though, children of two parent households overwhelmingly have better outcomes. In fact it's the single largest factor determining success in life, statistically. Certainly this can be in spite of, rather than because of your parents.

Also I probably mistakenly gave the impression that my mom cared. No. Her values were more that kids should be out of the house every day from breakfast until dinner. If she had left me to figure that out on my own in New York City I just would have been a kid on the street. As soon as I could get a permit to work and earn my own money was as soon as she stopped giving a shit.

I didn't get a higher education.

Re: Asian-Americans fight back against school discrimination

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> there's an entire class of people who are not being educated, has high crime, and ending in mass incarceration. Men?

Definitely especially men, specifically poor men in urban and rural places. Obviously the relevant issues are not going to all be solved at Harvard. But the people at Harvard are more likely to be the ones tasked with solving it.

>The people at Harvard are more likely to be the ones tasked with solving it.

That doesn't fill me with confidence.

Re: Asian-Americans fight back against school discrimination

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I attended TJ, back when it was about 30% Asian. I’ve always felt like the school should do more to get more underrepresented minorities. I’ve found the recent efforts very off-putting however. It’s based on a modern strain of social justice ideology that adopts some very ugly assumptions about Asians. I’m reminded of Alison Collins in San Francisco, who called Asians “house n—-ers” and said they use “white supremaci…

> But it’s a few thousand dollars if that (as low as under $1,000) which is reachable to all but destitute families. I live in Arlington, so not Fairfax, but in a neighborhood that borders Fairfax (and not really that far away from TJ either). The median household income for our census tract was about a 3rd of the county's average, ~$40k vs ~$120k when I looked into it a few years back. Which is also indicative of th…

A one-time expensive of a couple of thousand or so is not unaffordable on $40k/year. And note also that the median household income of Black households is over $60,000/year in Arlington, and $80,000 for Hispanics. In Fairfax County, it’s close to $100,000/year for both Black and Hispanic households.

Re: Asian-Americans fight back against school discrimination

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It's discrimination any way you slice it. You can't lower the bar for one person without raising it for another so long as the class sizes remain the same. If elite universities are about providing education (a valid point of critical contention), then systematically barring Asians from entry is the same class of injustice litigated in Brown v. Board of Education. It's not enough to say you can learn calculus just as…

This is what affirmative action will look like. If you want to see the context of such an action happening somewhere for long time, take the example of India. There it is much more explicit and written in the law. For some subjects, the criteria it takes for one cohort to get admission in the top college is the same one in which the other cohort will not even get admission in any college in the top 20. You can see th…

AA and other background-accounting factors have some place as an input into the system. You simply can't possibly claim that poor white rural kids in the south or black urban kids in poor neighborhoods (and all similar such situations) have the same chances at success of getting into harvard/yale/MIT as a rich white/asian kid from NYC who went to the best public/private schools (and SAT tutors) money could afford. There has to be some balance in there to account for such things. Until people put something forth as viable AA and quotas are what we have.

Re: Asian-Americans fight back against school discrimination

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Thank you for contributing something other than pop-sociology to the comments (omg race is a social construct guys). I hadn’t thought about this this way before - eventually anyone with an inclination to “rage against the machine” will have to really pinpoint that energy and drill down and down until it seems like a parody. Not saying we’re there now, but an interesting thought exercise.

When the idea is backed by corporate HR departments and academic orthodoxies, it’s no longer raging against the machine. It is the machine.

I've noticed this in young people, in school or fresh out. They've somehow been convinced that they're rebelling against the system by thinking and acting exactly as they've been taught.

Re: Asian-Americans fight back against school discrimination

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Note that most Americans of all races, including Black people, oppose the practice of race conscious admissions: https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2019/02/25/most-americ... . People of all races also overwhelmingly oppose consideration of race in hiring: https://www.pewresearch.org/social-trends/2019/05/08/america... . In California, Prop 16 failed in every single majority Hispanic county. It’s a minority of most…

> It’s a minority of mostly white progressives pushing this stuff. I think if you look a little closer you'll find that many members of that "white" minority are in fact not White (or Hispanic, Black, or Asian.)

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Re: Asian-Americans fight back against school discrimination

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It is simply a bad mechanism and argument to put injustices of the past on the shoulders of new generations, especially with goals defined in such a blurry manner. On the contrary, the best remedy is to treat people as equals. That isn't unpractical realism, nothing else is required. Of course some will have a huge head start and culture towards education is a very important factor. But you can shelve the false justi…

The injustices of the present need to be solved still. In America the way schools are funded in many states is such an obvious shorthand for racist school funding there isn't a level playing field.

I would suggest it's more along poverty lines than race lines. If you fix (well improve) the poverty rates it helps all races across the board. I think our emphasis is completely off base, education outcomes track with poverty a lot better than race.

Re: Asian-Americans fight back against school discrimination

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the problem is and always has been that the particular school you attend has too much weight, irrespective of ability or aptitude. if college admissions were high school blind then this wouldn't even matter to begin with. simply being great, regardless of which school you attend would be enough. re: TJH admissions: > In 2020, during the summer after George Floyd’s death, the Virginia state government announced that i…

why should a 4.0 student with excellent test scores have "as good a chance" as a 3.5 student with bad test scores?

Re: Asian-Americans fight back against school discrimination

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> It's unfortunate that a quality education is a finite pie. Good that it's not then? With modern technology, one can get started on ultra cheap automated courses (not necessarily just static lectures, can be interactive/VR experience like good computer games), coupled with one on one help from paid and volunteer tutors around the world. Than those who show potential can in due time be given access to expensive resea…

>>> With modern technology, one can get started on ultra cheap automated courses You cannot compare a degree from a well known university with cheap/free online courses. The benefits of a degree from a well known university are immeasurable.

Did you mean that one learns more there, or that the well-known name of the university makes it simpler to get a nice job?

Re: Asian-Americans fight back against school discrimination

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post #411

I attended TJ, back when it was about 30% Asian. I’ve always felt like the school should do more to get more underrepresented minorities. I’ve found the recent efforts very off-putting however. It’s based on a modern strain of social justice ideology that adopts some very ugly assumptions about Asians. I’m reminded of Alison Collins in San Francisco, who called Asians “house n—-ers” and said they use “white supremaci…

I was with you right up to > But it’s a few thousand dollars if that (as low as under $1,000) which is reachable to all but destitute families. Selling my blue collar parents on $1,000 to slightly improve my chances of getting into a slightly better school so I could spend even more money? That’s absolutely not happening. I’d have gotten a pat on the back and told there’s no shame in community college. I think you mi…

this is exactly what's wrong with (poor) Americans. you can go to any east asian country and see how different their mindsets are to yours. they will make damn sure their kids get their best education even if they starve
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