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Unvaccinated workers who lose jobs ineligible for unemployment benefits (Canada)

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peteradio wrote: post #363
atoav wrote: post #311

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Slight change: There is no science if reasonable doubts aren't allowed. The thing with this pandemic is, that the time where you could have a reasonable doubt in the vaccines are over for a while now. We vaccinated half of earths population. If there would have been horrible side effects they would have shown. The more data we gather the clearer the picture becomes and the less reasonable certain doubts become. The t…

You need to justify the marginal benefit of force vaccinating young healthy people. That conversation never properly happened. First it was "that's not even being talked about, fuck off antivaxxer" then the next it was "are you kidding me we already decided this for you, fuck off antivaxxer". You can believe that vaccines are beneficial at preventing serious illness while doubting if they ought be required to a recov…

Pediatric COVID cases are a thing. COVID reinfections are a thing. None of these things are up for discussion.

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charlieyu1 wrote: post #500
egberts1 wrote: post #152

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There is no science if the facts are not allowed either.

So what are the facts actually? I’m not following covid news 24/7 but at least I’ve heard that developers of such vaccines refuse to release data on its effectiveness

Then you've heard wrong. /r/covid19 has torrents of papers by researchers from all over the globe showing the effectiveness of vaccines.

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exolymph wrote: post #490
huntertwo wrote: post #391

Is there room for those of us who believe the mRNA vaccines are effective at reducing transmission and severe disease yet don’t want to relegate our fellow citizens to second class status for not wanting to inject themselves with something they’re not sure about? We seem all too ready to ruin the lives of those who don’t want the jab.

Same boat. I'm pro-vaccine, but I have no desire to punish those who disagree.

I have a desire to punish the people whose ignorance stress hospital systems all over the world, have made working in healthcare a living hell for the past two years, and who willfully expose themselves to the long-term risks of the disease and leave the rest of us to pick up the pieces.

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crisdux wrote: post #231
simonh wrote: post #184

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There have been extensive studies of the risks of these vaccines, both during their trials and after public use, and these studies are continuing. The regulators on several counties including the US have even publicly registered concerns about several of the vaccines, particularly the J&J single dose vaccine. None of these studies have been suppressed or censored, and they are ongoing and I see debate about them goin…

There have not been extensive studies. The original long term safety studies from the vaccine trials were stopped. There are huge issues in the original trials, they were not done with the rigor that we've come to expect from previous vaccines. There are plenty of examples of people who have disagreed with current vaccine policy and them being censored or destroyed- and have the bills to show for it! We even have ema…

This is absolute garbage.

There are extensive, long-term trials, with results being published every day, on vaccine effectiveness for every vaccine and every variant from all sorts of public and private institutions all over the world.

Do you even "do your own research"? There's new papers coming out that you can read on /r/covid19, easily summarized and explained, and they all points towards similar conclusions over and over again.

This idea that "there are huge issues" seems to be a repeated meme without any epidemiological basis.

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theodorejb wrote: post #31

It seems we are heading in a direction where those who don't take the jab will be blocked from receiving government services, prevented from patronizing various businesses, and even restricted from traveling and the ability to work. Are most citizens really okay with this medical apartheid, or are they afraid of speaking out against it?

I certainly am.

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b3nji wrote: post #2

I don't understand, if the vaccines work then why the issue? However the vaccines don't stop you catching or spreading the virus, so why is this banning of the unvaccinated a thing? Very odd.

This is garbage reasoning.

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Post by tzekid »

Daishiman wrote: post #501
peteradio wrote: post #363

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You need to justify the marginal benefit of force vaccinating young healthy people. That conversation never properly happened. First it was "that's not even being talked about, fuck off antivaxxer" then the next it was "are you kidding me we already decided this for you, fuck off antivaxxer". You can believe that vaccines are beneficial at preventing serious illness while doubting if they ought be required to a recov…

Pediatric COVID cases are a thing. COVID reinfections are a thing. None of these things are up for discussion.

In science everything is up for discussion. Anything else and it's not science anymore, but ideology.

Re: Unvaccinated workers who lose jobs ineligible for unemployment benefits (Canada)

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Post by tzekid »

Daishiman wrote: post #503
exolymph wrote: post #490

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Same boat. I'm pro-vaccine, but I have no desire to punish those who disagree.

I have a desire to punish the people whose ignorance stress hospital systems all over the world, have made working in healthcare a living hell for the past two years, and who willfully expose themselves to the long-term risks of the disease and leave the rest of us to pick up the pieces.

Question your sources first, before you think about ruining lives.

E.g. here in Germany there's been a hospital management problem on the gov's side since late 00's early 10's. Relatively, in the past two years there has been no difference to the hospital problems compared to 2010 - 2012.

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tzekid wrote: post #508
Daishiman wrote: post #503

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I have a desire to punish the people whose ignorance stress hospital systems all over the world, have made working in healthcare a living hell for the past two years, and who willfully expose themselves to the long-term risks of the disease and leave the rest of us to pick up the pieces.

Question your sources first, before you think about ruining lives. E.g. here in Germany there's been a hospital management problem on the gov's side since late 00's early 10's. Relatively, in the past two years there has been no difference to the hospital problems compared to 2010 - 2012.

My sources are friends who work in radiology and cancer wards who are tired of COVID inducing totally preventable deaths. I just canceled my flight to visit one of them because the circulation of Omicron is too high to risk it, as they're being asked to quarantine just 5 days as there's not enough staff around, an unprecedented situation.

It is an enormously, totally different thing. How the hell are people still denying it at this point?

Re: Unvaccinated workers who lose jobs ineligible for unemployment benefits (Canada)

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Post by Daishiman »

tzekid wrote: post #507
Daishiman wrote: post #501

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Pediatric COVID cases are a thing. COVID reinfections are a thing. None of these things are up for discussion.

In science everything is up for discussion. Anything else and it's not science anymore, but ideology.

False. Things are up for discussion when facts on the ground change and when new evidence arises that makes for a case that paradigms should be reconsidered.

Every piece of available evidence points to the same conclusions, over and over again: the general safety of vaccines, the risks of long COVID, the contagiousness of the Omicron variant, and so on and so forth.

Those things are clearly not up for the discussion given the absolute garbage quality of the proposed counterevidence offered by these "skeptics".

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