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Re: MacBook Pro 14-inch and MacBook Pro 16-inch

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Post by ant6n »

mFixman wrote: post #464
mizzack wrote: post #92

Wow looks like Apple has abandoned every bad decision on the MBP for the past 5 years in one swoop. No touchbar, increased key travel, added back hdmi/sd/headphone/power jacks. Plus bumped up RAM limit, M1, new displays, 120Hz... Wow.

Damn, I liked the touchbar :-( I think that Apple's biggest mistake is not making it more obvious that the bar is editable in all programs. It becomes pretty useful when you can keep only the functions that you use the most.

Function keys should be usable in many programs as well...

Re: MacBook Pro 14-inch and MacBook Pro 16-inch

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Post by Joeri »

onion2k wrote: post #297
ssijak wrote: post #96

This is literally a dream laptop. Improved in every area and lacking in none I can think of right now. And the price is crazy cheap for this performance if you ask me.

There is one area where the M1 is lacking - software support. There are still areas (eg Docker) that don't work well. It's definitely coming but it isn't here yet. If you work outside of those areas though, an Apple Arm CPU is amazing.

I have an m1 air and I’ve used it for angular and node web dev including docker. Docker support for me was rough back in march, but it is flawless now. There is no difference to using docker on my intel imac and my m1 air. The rest of the ecosytem has also caught up. Nvm and older node versions were a challenge for a while, but now it works well and I can install old intel builds of node without a problem and use nvm to switch to them.

I was worried about software compatibility on m1 and was glad to have my intel imac for those things it couldn’t do, but in practice it now does everything. Some things require a bit of googling, but that’s par for the course for developer tools. And on the upside, the m1 runs rings around the 9600K in my iMac and it does this without a fan.

Re: MacBook Pro 14-inch and MacBook Pro 16-inch

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Post by TheJoeMan »

mFixman wrote: post #464
mizzack wrote: post #92

Wow looks like Apple has abandoned every bad decision on the MBP for the past 5 years in one swoop. No touchbar, increased key travel, added back hdmi/sd/headphone/power jacks. Plus bumped up RAM limit, M1, new displays, 120Hz... Wow.

Damn, I liked the touchbar :-( I think that Apple's biggest mistake is not making it more obvious that the bar is editable in all programs. It becomes pretty useful when you can keep only the functions that you use the most.

Since the non-touchbar folks across the internet are more vocal, I love the Touch Bar.

What's sad is by killing it on the new MBP, they essentially kill it on my laptop as less and less developers will care to implement it. I wonder how long Apple software like Xcode will support the Touch Bar.

Edit: times it's superior to buttons: scrubbing videos, changing Safari tabs

Re: MacBook Pro 14-inch and MacBook Pro 16-inch

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Post by shortstuffsushi »

mizzack wrote: post #92

Wow looks like Apple has abandoned every bad decision on the MBP for the past 5 years in one swoop. No touchbar, increased key travel, added back hdmi/sd/headphone/power jacks. Plus bumped up RAM limit, M1, new displays, 120Hz... Wow.

As someone who bought a mid-2018 with the escape key on the touchbar, then watched the next model have it's own key, then watched all these ports get added back... I'm extremely frustrated to say the least. Trade in is valued at $840. If I had known either of these two updates would have gone "backwards" like this, I would have waited to purchase

Re: MacBook Pro 14-inch and MacBook Pro 16-inch

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Post by [deleted] »

nuerow wrote: post #469
buu700 wrote: post #202

I can live without HDMI, but it never made sense to me to put SD on the chopping block. In what sense was USB-C ever supposed to be an alternative to SD card slots? Edit: For clarity, read my reply to anamexis before responding to this.

> I can live without HDMI, but it never made sense to me to put SD on the chopping block. HDMI means external monitor. For some (most?) an external monitor is a must-have.

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Re: MacBook Pro 14-inch and MacBook Pro 16-inch

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Post by dont__panic »

buu700 wrote: post #171
bla3 wrote: post #63

For me personally, they hit it out of the park -- except for the notch, which seems like a complete showstopper to me at first sight. Maybe it's not so bad in practice if games and full-screen videos keep that whole strip solid black? But almost all the screenshots are of fullscreen apps, so it seems Apple thinks it looks a bit ungainly too.

I can live with the notch, but honestly I would pay more for an option to remove it along with the camera. For me, it really depends on how this camera compares with a standard Logitech C920. If it's as good or better then I'm fine with it, but if it's just a minor upgrade over the terrible pre-existing camera then I'm not sure why they would mar an otherwise fantastic product.

Same. I finally broke and bought a nice webcam. I'd rather just not have one on the laptop than a notch!

Re: MacBook Pro 14-inch and MacBook Pro 16-inch

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Post by sireat »

Really hard to tell if the $800 upgrade from 16GB RAM to 32GB RAM is worth it since you also get a mysterious 16GPU to 32GPU upgrade..

10-Core CPU 16-Core GPU 16GB Unified Memory 1TB SSD Storage¹ 16-core Neural Engine 16-inch Liquid Retina XDR display Three Thunderbolt 4 ports, HDMI port, SDXC card slot, MagSafe 3 port Magic Keyboard with Touch ID Force Touch trackpad 140W USB-C Power Adapter $2,699.00

10-Core CPU 32-Core GPU 32GB Unified Memory 1TB SSD Storage¹ 16-core Neural Engine 16-inch Liquid Retina XDR display Three Thunderbolt 4 ports, HDMI port, SDXC card slot, MagSafe 3 port Magic Keyboard with Touch ID Force Touch trackpad 140W USB-C Power Adapter $3,499.00

Re: MacBook Pro 14-inch and MacBook Pro 16-inch

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Post by wmeredith »

dntrkv wrote: post #414
nharada wrote: post #53

Happy to see they added Magsafe but ALSO still support charging via the USB3 ports.

Controversial opinion, but I think adding Magsafe back (along with the other ports) was a step backward for the industry. Apple pushed the whole industry to standardize on one connector for everything. If anyone really needed those other ports, a small $30 portable hub would add them all back. Magsafe 3 is just another connector that will add more e-waste and proprietary cables to the mix. It's nice that they kept th…

I agree with this. The mag connection should have been at the power brick and keep the USB-C on the device.

Re: MacBook Pro 14-inch and MacBook Pro 16-inch

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Post by awill »

All laptop manufacturers have relied on Intel for years. That was fine when Intel was competitive. But now all those manufacturers are massively behind. They can either wait for Intel to catch up (unlikely), switch to AMD, which is better, but still behind, or they can try to move to ARM. Though that's really hard since they're relying on Windows.

Really this is a massive miss from Microsoft and their partners that many saw coming years ago. It's obvious that this is precisely why Apple likes to bring tech in-house. To avoid depending on something that isn't competitive.

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