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Women are nearly half of new gun buyers, study finds

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Post by oh_sigh »

ssully wrote: post #287
tablespoon wrote: post #262

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> This smacks of the modern left's derision for self defense tools. It's a nicer way of saying someone has a gun to compensate for their genital insecurities. One of the biggest issues I have with the modern left is their tendency to let their prejudices dictate their perceptions like that. It's annoying and repulsive, and it should be embarrassing for people who say stuff like they "believe in science."

Luckily the modern left is the only group of people who let their prejudices dictate their perceptions.

The difference being the modern right wears their prejudices on their sleeve, whereas the modern left hypocritically denounces prejudice, and then deploys prejudice at the drop of a hat when it supports their cause. See: discussions about whiteness, about men, about hetereosexuals, about Christians, about "Karens", Trump's weight, etc.

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Post by rpmisms »

throwaway0a5e wrote: post #68
smoldesu wrote: post #21

I wonder if part of the driving force behind this is simply that men have purchased more guns in the past. Firearms are heirlooms in most families, and a hunting father is always want to expose their son to the craft. Men simply have more avenues to get guns from, with the strange way our social structure is organized. It will be interesting to watch the concept of weapon ownership be emasculated over the next few ye…

>Firearms are heirlooms in most families, I assume that cheap stuff outnumbers nice stuff by a few orders of magnitude, just like every other consumer facing industry.

Kind of. The "Saturday Night Special", a racist term for a cheap handgun, generally refers to a Hi-Point or similar cheap polymer pistol, and used to refer to inexpensive revolvers. An heirloom may be a nice bolt-action or a Colt 1911 from one of the World Wars. Most modern guns are very good, though, especially compared to even 20 years ago. The Sig Sauer P365 is a great example, fitting 10+1 rounds of 9mm ammo into a complete package that would have barely fit 7+1 of .380 just 10 years ago.

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Post by tshaddox »

philwelch wrote: post #268
sofixa wrote: post #96

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> But the U.S. murder rate is not all that remarkable, really The US is at 4.96/100,000 for 2012. For reference, Angola is better at 4.85. Bulgaria and Romania, the poorest countries in the EU, are at 1.3. France is at 1.2. If by not remarkable you mean 3 as bad as other developed countries, sure. The numbers are only for intentional homicide, not even counting accidents and suicides which are also made worse by the…

The US is not that bad compared to other New World countries. From your link we see Brazil at 27, Mexico at 29, Argentina at 5, Uruguay at 12, Greenland at 5, Panama at 9, and Costa Rica at 11. Canada is the biggest outlier, but the US still has less homicide than even relatively nice New World countries. If you’re going to tout France’s low homicide rate of 1.2, I’d invite you to observe that Japan’s homicide rate i…

> The US is not that bad compared to other New World countries.

> Or does it simply mean that France and Japan are different countries?

Huh? Are you implying that simply existing in the “New World” would cause the baseline expected murder rate to be higher for some reason?

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Post by klyrs »

pasabagi wrote: post #474
KorematsuFredt wrote: post #421

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> From my EU perspective lobbying in the US is corruption, as the lobbying comes with money and paid-for political promotion. People with money and influence will always try to impact law. In EU it happens through actual bribes which is far worse. (Pretty much like India). In USA an immigrant like me can join hands with 10K immigrants and find enough support in congress openly by hiring lobbiest to advocate for the c…

> shoe string budget > Revenue (2018) $412,233,508[0] I don't know what shoestrings you're buying, but I suggest shopping around. [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Rifle_Association

That's pre-embezzlement revenue. Perhaps the remainder is just a shoestring?

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Post by sbierwagen »

advisedwang wrote: post #151
ajay-b wrote: post #64

The entire police force can do nothing for you on the phone. I think it is the reductions in police that are convincing more women to purchase.

What reductions in police? Basically no location has actually defunded their police depts, despite all the talk.

Seattle cut police funding by 17%: https://mynorthwest.com/2339588/seattle-final-2021-budget-su...

180 police officers quit in 2020, 66 officers as of April 28th: https://apnews.com/article/seattle-police-government-and-pol...

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Post by Throwawayaerlei »

mullingitover wrote: post #487
harshreality wrote: post #345

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That study doesn't even say that. It doesn't propose causation, and looks at accessible firearms, not gun ownership. There's no way a gun kept in a safe or a nightstand reasonably affects your likelihood of getting shot, everything else being equal. > We also did not account for the potential of reverse causation between gun possession and gun assault. The study's methodology looks terrible. It's a case-control popul…

Even ignoring this study, there's the fact that sometimes we get sad and having a simple suicide mechanism laying around your home makes you dramatically more likely to kill yourself[1]. > Men who own handguns are eight times more likely to die of gun suicides than men who don’t own handguns, and women who own handguns are 35 times more likely than women who don’t. I don't understand why the pro-gun crowd flails arou…

Just say you like guns, it's okay. Nobody is coming to take them

Unlike you, we listen and pay attention to what politicians like Joe Biden say.

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Post by rpmisms »

cratermoon wrote: post #275

Giving women guns wouldn't prevent rape: it would land women in jail https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/feb/23/dana-l... Guns Are Bad for Women: https://www.harpersbazaar.com/culture/politics/a18666337/nra...

Sounds like sexism to me.

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Post by wittycardio »

bequanna wrote: post #470
simonh wrote: post #447

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I do not at all accept that guns empower the weak. We can see all over the world they are a massive force multiplier for criminals, the violent and the murderous. Guns are only potent in the hands of those willing and able to use violence. For those unwilling to do so, they are massively disenfranchising. They essentially tilt the balance of power in society decisively in favour of those most willing to kill, and mos…

> It hands an implicit veto on opinion to the violent. Utterly shameful. Except that isn’t how it has worked in the US at all. Can weapons be used to intimidate and coerce? Of course. But we’re civilized. We have freedoms and we are protected from unlawful force by lawful force. Speech is virtual limitless. Non violent protest has and will continue to be a fruitful avenue of change. Self reliance and individual empow…

I have lived in developed and developing countries and have never felt that my family or property were at risk. The real question is why you think they are when we live in the safest time in human history.

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Post by ihsw »

Fogest wrote: post #410
thisiscorrect wrote: post #359

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"[M]arginalized groups have often armed themselves when they feel the state is unwilling or unable to protect them." An example of this is calling to reduce policing, which probably would have the biggest (and very negative) impact in high crime areas. I believe gun sales increased rapidly starting last summer.

I have watched a lot of videos from Peter Santenello [1] on YouTube. He takes a somewhat deep dive into a lot of communities that the traditional media typically fails to highlight or fails to do it properly. He has quite a few videos where he speaks with people in the "hood" or the "projects" in various places across America. In many of these videos he asks some of the people in these communities what they think abo…

The black communities are a captive audience -- they historically do not vote Republican and therefore Democrats of all stripes and sizes can spew vitriol without consequence.

Pelosi famously chided AOC, saying "a glass of water with a (D) on it would get elected in her district."

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Post by rpmisms »

xadhominemx wrote: post #353
rpmisms wrote: post #341

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> isn’t it obvious gun owners in the United States are much more likely to support any likely authoritarian government? That's hilarious. Sure, there's the Republican party, but also a massive Libertarian sentiment here, and Libertarians love guns.

Libertarians are not by any measure a massive segment of the population.

Libertarians aren't, but libertarians are.
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