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Re: OnlyFans to block sexually explicit videos starting in October

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Wow, you spend years thinking crypto is convoluted nonsense…and then something comes along that impacts a lot of your friends, and you start to change your mind. I have a fair number† of friends and acquaintances who have OnlyFans. Some for side income, some for a substantial portion of their livelihood. And to see that get taken away because the payment processors want them to fall in line…I guess I’m on the crypto…

I worked at a webcam pornography company (as a software engineer) a few years ago and honestly, I get it from the processors perspective. I wasn't privy to all the conversations, but I know at the time, some higher ups were toying around with the idea of basically building an entire in house payment processor to handle transactions.

I think a lot of people think the processors are doing this out of some moral high ground to try and kill off the pornography business, but that's not what's happening. It's all about risk and opportunity cost. I forget the exact numbers, but pornography and gambling are near the top of the list when you look at industries with the highest number of fraudulent transactions. When someone reports a transaction as fraudulent, the money to refund the customer comes out someone behind the scenes pocket and often that money gets tied up in limbo while everyone points fingers at everyone else. Dealing with fraudulent transactions is a massive headache that wastes a ton of time.

Most major processors just don't want to deal with the hassle and the ones who do charge extremely high fees to offset the extra risk. OF has probably been using a processor that doesn't allow for pornography this whole time, but the processor has been letting it slide. My guess would be the risk has finally grown too large and the processor is cracking down. Like I said, there are other processors out there who are happy to work with the porn industry for a much higher fee, but it seems like OF has decided for one reason or another that that isn't as lucrative as just banning explicit content all together.

Re: OnlyFans to block sexually explicit videos starting in October

#502

It sure sounds like this was forced on them by their payment processors, not that this was a voluntary move. https://twitter.com/danprimack/status/1428420774449266691?s=...

The fact that OF is not all in on crypto payments is a massive indictment of crypto as a payment mechanism.

It might be easier to operate a dodgy site off of USPS money orders than it would be off of cryptocurrency.

Re: OnlyFans to block sexually explicit videos starting in October

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The article says > Creators will still be allowed to post nude photos and videos, provided they’re consistent with OnlyFans’ policy, the company said Thursday. So I am guessing the distinction is nudes vs sex acts?

...for how long? There were rumors they were getting rid of adult and then they put out an announcement saying that they would always be inclusive of sex workers. Then they just announced this. Their credibility is gone.

What Credibility - They are 75% owned by Leonid_Radvinsky.

He puts the sketch in sketchy (porn click farms in the 90's, sued by Amazon and Microsoft working together for spamming emails by the millions in the early 2000's).

Re: OnlyFans to block sexually explicit videos starting in October

#504

It sure sounds like this was forced on them by their payment processors, not that this was a voluntary move. https://twitter.com/danprimack/status/1428420774449266691?s=...

This is why America needs to work beyond it's fascination with creditcards. Your bank can't block shit and has to process whatever transaction you want short of the terrorist watchlist.

Our banks are horribly, horribly insecure. I use a credit card because we don't have a good way to use our banks.

Re: OnlyFans to block sexually explicit videos starting in October

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I had a friend who ran a “sexually explicit” site you’ve heard of. He was paying north of 25% to payment processors (compare to less than .2% restaurants pay…though his margins were much bigger). The payment processors take this attitude because that way they can tell congress they are “doing something about vice”, and in exchange not be subject to undesired regulations. I suspect this kind of soft pressure is being…

Seems like a business opportunity for someone to build a Stripe for vice businesses. Question I know nothing about is besides being stigmatized, do these industries have higher fraud rates? Pretty sure credit card companies won't let you "chargeback" stripe clubs as fraud even if it wasn't you.

> Seems like a business opportunity for someone to build a Stripe for vice businesses.

Well, not really. The whole point is that if you do that, the government will apply soft pressure on you, until you go out of businesses.

Its an end run around of the 1st amendment, basically. A senator doesn't have to make a law, targeting you specifically. They just have to threaten your bank, that they will be punished, sometime down the line, in an unrelated law, and then the bank will, shut you down.

Re: OnlyFans to block sexually explicit videos starting in October

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Sex work is legitimate work. They should not be shame and pushed to the fringes as we do here in the US, both by power of state and morality. I cringe at the number of people, mostly women of course, who are going to lose their livelihood because of "virtual Karens" imposing THEIR moral beliefs on others via power of the state.

Re: OnlyFans to block sexually explicit videos starting in October

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> Yes, the payment processors will bark at the porn site. Move to a more expensive processor for that site only, pay 5%, 10% fee, it doesn't really matter, it's free money. If PH is having trouble processing any form of credit card, a smaller company will have no chance at all. We're seeing a sterilization of legitimate porn on the internet, done by legitimate tax paying western companies. It'll be left to whoever ca…

Free speech, separation of church and state has nothing to do with it. Not wanting to be associated with rape, child and revenge porn (variations on non-consent) is all it is. User submitted content is so much harder to verify facts about (consent in particular) and as long as the user submitted content is sexual in nature, it is legal plutonium.

I don't see how a payment processor is "being associated" with the content. Deciding whether that sort of thing is happening really shouldn't be their purview.

Re: OnlyFans to block sexually explicit videos starting in October

#510

This is going to be corporate suicide on a greater scale than Tumblr's policy. I say greater because OnlyFans is/was still on a massive upswing whereas Tumblr was 10 years past its peak already when the nails went in the coffin. Edit: I understand this is supposedly not their choice.

I think a lot of governments are starting to decide that social media and porn are a terrible waste of resources. If so, they're not wrong.
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