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Re: Apple enabling client-side CSAM scanning on iPhone tomorrow

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Post by bayindirh »

arpa wrote: post #497
bayindirh wrote: post #407

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> If you avoid Apple, what's the point of M1? - (Potentially) programmable top notch security chip with no overhead encryption - Fanless (Air), cool running, fast processor with very low power consumption - All metal body - Top notch HiDPI screen with color accuracy. - Top notch sensors - Excellent, illuminated keyboard - Big trackpad with pressure sensitivity and taptic engine - Excellent battery life - Excellent ba…

Is the M1 keyboard significantly better than MBP (with the touchbar)? because that keyboard was crap. To be absolutely fair, good keyboards are hard to come by these days, and that's also why i'm using a logitech from 2006 via ps2 adapter.

> Is the M1 keyboard significantly better than MBP (with the touchbar)?

Yes. It's slightly deeper, much more resistant to dust and one can write with very low effort, but with crisp feedback. It allows me to write at least 10% faster with no effort. I similarly use an old Microsoft Sculpt Comfort at office and Logitech G710+ at home.

Good keyboard is something hard to find.

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Post by lallysingh »

marderfarker2 wrote: post #387
gjulianm wrote: post #385

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This is a moot point unless you always verify and check all hardware and software that you use, including communications devices.

I don’t think that’s his point. The point is Apple made a laptop that did away technologies that allow PC ecosystem/choices we see today. The M1 MacBook feels like an iPhone, but sized as a laptop.

Importantly, it runs iOS games, which has otherwise been a weak point in the macos ecosystem.

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Post by Filligree »

Aeolun wrote: post #488
amelius wrote: post #448

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There's no doubt that Apple makes good hardware. But you can find decent hardware elsewhere, even at lower cost and with better configurability. Everyone betting on the same horse is usually a bad strategy. By the way, here's what Linus Torvalds (the creator of Linux) thinks about using the M1: https://www.zdnet.com/article/linus-torvalds-would-like-to-u...

I’m not sure this is true? The $1000 version has absolutely ridiculous performance for it’s price class. To the point it’s nearly as good as my desktop system.

My desktop system is a 24-core Zen 2. The M1 shouldn't be faster, and I'm certain the difference is almost purely a matter of software, but in reality the M1 certainly feels a lot faster.

Yes, the desktop has higher throughput. Of course it does. But that doesn't mean I don't feel a fraction of a second's lag whenever I do basically anything, and on the M1 that just... doesn't exist.

Re: Apple enabling client-side CSAM scanning on iPhone tomorrow

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Post by bayindirh »

amelius wrote: post #448
bayindirh wrote: post #407

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> If you avoid Apple, what's the point of M1? - (Potentially) programmable top notch security chip with no overhead encryption - Fanless (Air), cool running, fast processor with very low power consumption - All metal body - Top notch HiDPI screen with color accuracy. - Top notch sensors - Excellent, illuminated keyboard - Big trackpad with pressure sensitivity and taptic engine - Excellent battery life - Excellent ba…

There's no doubt that Apple makes good hardware. But you can find decent hardware elsewhere, even at lower cost and with better configurability. Everyone betting on the same horse is usually a bad strategy. By the way, here's what Linus Torvalds (the creator of Linux) thinks about using the M1: https://www.zdnet.com/article/linus-torvalds-would-like-to-u...

> But you can find decent hardware elsewhere, even at lower cost and with better configurability.

The problem is, you pay the same price for a Thinkpad/Elitebook and you get ridiculous gotchas like missing wireless antennas (at most you can find 2x2, if you're lucky). Or the configuration you like doesn't come to your country, or the vendor doesn't allow custom configuration for your country unless you buy 10+, etc.

OTOH, I pay the premium, I get what I configured, with top notch small specs (antennas, wireless chips, etc.). You can't find a spare 40mm SSD for your Elitebook after three years, but Apple will service your device happily.

If you get the said SSD from the vendor, its quadruple the price, so it's Apple's price territory again.

At that price range, there's no advantage in hardware prices between Apple, HP, Lenovo and Dell. They're equally cheap/expensive. So, IMHO, you pay less on the long run for an Apple laptop, which you can use for 7-8 years without problems.

Re: Apple enabling client-side CSAM scanning on iPhone tomorrow

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Post by ben_w »

majewsky wrote: post #470
ben_w wrote: post #233

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(1) happened with the first multitasking OS, or possibly when CPUs got microcode; Android and iOS are big increases in freedom in comparison to the first phones . (2) and (3) are bad, but a tangential bad to this: it’s no good having an untainted chat layer if it’s running on an imperfect — anywhere from hostile to merely lowest-bidder solution — OS. (And most of the problems we find in software have been closer to t…

Re (1): That's technically true, but missing the point when viewed holistically. Those first feature phones were mostly just used to make quick calls to arrange an appointment or discuss one or two things. They were not a platform to mediate a majority chunk of our social lifes like today's phones are.

That also seems to miss the point, as for most of the stuff you’re describing the phone is a thin client and the computation is on a server, and that would still be true even if the phones themselves ran only GPL-licenced code and came with pre-installed compilers and IDEs.

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Post by regnull »

snarf21 wrote: post #500
keyme wrote: post #221

Dear humans, 1) You willingly delegated the decision of what code is allowed to run on your devices to the manufacturer (2009). Smart voices warned you of today's present even then. 2) You willingly got yourself irrevocably vendor-locked by participating in their closed social networks, so that it's almost impossible to leave (2006). 3) You willingly switched over essentially all human communication to said social ne…

Great, so what's the solution? What are you doing to fix it? Do you roll your own silicon? Do you grow your own food (we have no idea what someone could be putting in it)? Are you completely off-grid? Or are you as completely dependent on society writ large as everyone else? Making holier than thou comments about everyone else being sheep isn't helpful or thought provoking. Offer an alternative if it is a bad one (lo…

The solution is to go back to the original spirit of the Internet, when it was a set of open standards connecting people and organizations. Somehow it got forgotten and now we have a bunch of commercial companies giving you the same stuff in exchange for your privacy and who increasingly control everything you do.

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Post by azalemeth »

SXX wrote: post #226

It's funny to see anyone here could find this acceptable. I wonder what's comments would be after Apple start to scan phones for anti-censorship or anti-CCP materials in China. Or for some gay porn in Saudi Arabia. Because you know in some countries there are materials that local government find more offensive than mere child abuse. And once surveillance tech is deployed it's certainly gonna be used to oppress people…

> Because you know in some countries there are materials that local government find more offensive than mere child abuse. And once surveillance tech is deployed it's certainly gonna be used to oppress people.

In Saudi, Bahrain, and Iran there is no minimum age of consent – just a requirement for marriage. In Yemen, the age of consent for women is 9 (but they must be married first). In Macau, East Timor, and UAE, it's 14. [1]

I would allege that in all of those states they would probably find the perceptual hash of government criticism far more important to include on the "evil material" database than anything else.

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ages_of_consent_in_Asia

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Post by ornornor »

andrewmd5 wrote: post #481
headmelted wrote: post #241

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This is the big one right here. A malware will definitely be created, almost immediately, that will download files that are intentionally made to match CP - either for the purposes of extortion or just watching the world burn. I'm usually sticking my neck out in defence of more government access to private media than most on HN because of the need to stop CP, but this plan is so naive, and so incredibly irresponsible…

If you can recreate a file so it’s hash matches known CP then that file is CP my dude. The probability of just two hashes accidentally colliding is approximately: 4.3*10-60 Even if you do a content aware hash where you break the file into chunks and hash each chunk, you still wouldn’t be able to magically recreate the hash of a CP file without also producing part of the CP.

The Twitter thread this whole HN thread is about shows just how to make collisions on that hash. So any image can be manipulated to trigger a match, even if that image isn’t CP.

Re: Apple enabling client-side CSAM scanning on iPhone tomorrow

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Post by feanaro »

gjulianm wrote: post #496
feanaro wrote: post #476

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But who will formulate these laws that are supposed to give people freedom when we already have malicious state actors pushing for the complete opposite? Who will put pressure on governments to formulate just laws if people are so hopelessly misinformed and cannot possibly take the time to understand the issue of being parted with their freedom? The suggestion is not that people need to continually invest large amoun…

> But who will formulate these laws that are supposed to give people freedom I'd bet that most people in HN live in democracies. > Who will put pressure on governments to formulate just laws if people are so hopelessly misinformed and cannot possibly take the time to understand the issue of being parted with their freedom? You don't need to know biochemistry and medicine to know that you don't want carcinogenic eleme…

> You don't need to know biochemistry and medicine to know that you don't want carcinogenic elements in your food, right? In the same sense, you don't need to know how to check that a channel is private and secure in order to push for regulations that make your communication channels secure.

Yes, but you need to be able to conceive what cancer is and (roughly) how and why it appears in order to understand and fight the concept of carcinogens. Most people today still haven't realized the cancer and the carcinogens in the story of privacy. This is despite the fact that this was widely known in a prior time (see Stasi).

> Which is exactly the same thing I'm proposing: push for regulations that align with their interests.

Yes, except it's not happening because people are complacent, which is why people are fuming when they see stuff like this here.

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