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Re: A foreign seller has hijacked my Amazon Klein bottle listing

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Post by syshum »

LorenPechtel wrote: post #382
bombcar wrote: post #327

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I think there’s a discount if you allow commingled inventory (or a cost to keep it separate) which makes sense as Amazon has to track and potentially stock it in multiple warehouses

The comingled inventory actually is a good idea, just flawed. Go ahead, comingle the inventory but keep track of where each item came from so when the counterfeit is discovered they know where it really came from and don't blame the innocent supplier.

There are 2 levels of blame...

Amazon taking action against the vendor, and consumers blaming the wrong vendor.

When you order from Amazon Marketplace you can clearly see who you are ordering from, even if Amazon shipping the item. Consumers getting a bad product will then no only review the item but the seller with negative feedback even though the seller they bought it from may have done nothing wrong

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Post by fma »

kevin_thibedeau wrote: post #470
fma wrote: post #465

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I have their Walmart Plus. If I'm buying a major brand item I go to Walmart. 0 chance of knockoffs. I get 2 day free shipping. And - if it's in stock locally, many times they deliver directly from the store and I get it next day (no option to tip...so no pressure there). I use their store delivery option if I'm buying certain groceries or items I need ASAP. Yeah I need to tip - but I consider it me saving gas money/t…

> Yeah I need to tip Wal-mart employees don't get tip workers minimum wage. The cost of their service is already priced in.

Walmart sources their instore shopping to door dash employees. Doordash delivers their product whether you use the Walmart.com, or Walmart Groceries (in store).

The only difference is that it's more explicit it comes from doordash when you use Walmart Groceries.

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Post by beerandt »

AnssiH wrote: post #499
beerandt wrote: post #88

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I always assumed they tracked co-mingled sourcing internally, but don't have a reason to make it public. At least that way they could trace the people who were seriously poisoning the co-mingled well, in circumstances where they wanted to.

They explicitly say on their seller help pages that comingled inventory can be tracked to the original source. https://sellercentral.amazon.co.uk/gp/help/external/G2001414... > Note: Amazon ensures that the initial source of the commingled units can be traced throughout the fulfilment process. The linked FAQ goes into slightly more detail.

It's not initial fulfillment that's the obvious problem, it's returns that are resold.

If I order 2 of something and they come from different sellers, and one is fake, how would they know which was which? Or that I selected the correct one to return?

Or if someone orders only 1, but recieve it and return a different one they bought from aliexpress.

Knowing that returned items get sold as new, it seems like the problem could compound, especially if the same item gets returned and resold multiple times. If it's a bad fake, that seems more probable then not.

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Post by ManBlanket »

iratewizard wrote: post #482
mrandish wrote: post #428

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It's a shame that a small-time reseller like Cliff has to go to the trouble and expense to register a trademark to protect his listing (which I doubt Cliff will bother with). Until about 5-6 years ago the changes Amazon made almost universally made their service better and more pro-user convenience/efficiency. Since then it's really become a nightmare. I realize they are being abused by scammers who are scheming ever…

Amazon is filled to the brim with predominantly Chinese scammers that they have shown no interest in stopping. Scams I've seen: - 2 pack scammers that sell someone else's product as a bundle, but it costs more to buy the 2 pack than it does to buy the real item twice. - Listing swaps, where someone will take a commodity listing with lots of reviews and change the listing to sell overpriced broken garbage - Counterfei…

Funny you mention the 2-pack scammers. I was literally just looking for a center-post mounted bike seat for a child yesterday and noticed that exact scam. I thought to myself, "why would someone want a two pack of these bike seats?" Lo and behold the actual product cost less than half as much as the two pack. I didn't realize what was going on, just thought, "this doesn't seem legit" and bought a totally different item. Poor bike-seat manufacturer.

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Post by kabdib »

EricE wrote: post #449

A perfect example of why I buy less and less from sites that support 3rd party sellers. The problem is even once reliable sites like newegg.com are now playing these games. If I wanted the Ebay/alibaba experience I can get that! Why large retailer sites dilute their brand and frustrate customers in the fruitless chase of "being like Amazon" in catering to 3rd party sellers amazes and annoys me. At least most other si…

NewEgg is just fine with scammers on its marketplace.

Last year I bought a new mouse. NewEgg redirected my sale to a reseller, who sent me a busted, used mouse in a plastic baggie, with cigarette burns on the buttons. After raising a little hell, I got a refund. Basic on customer reviews, I'm not the only person this seller (betechparts, if you care) is scamming. Despite multiple emails to customer support and the NewEgg CEO, this seller remains active on NewEgg.

I no longer trust Amazon or NewEgg to supply non-counterfeit and unused merchandise.

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Post by worik »

gowld wrote: post #484
saxonww wrote: post #452

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I think it's ironic that you're saying he has to pay to run his business safely, when Amazon's set things up this way specifically because they don't want to pay to run their business safely. It's a little outrageous that a 3rd party can come take over your storefront without any avenue to challenge.

There is nothing wrong with Cliff's store front: https://www.kleinbottle.com The problem is in Amazon's storefront, and there millions of sellers are operating in the same space, so doing some due diligence is required. If Cliff could just seize ownership of his storefront from a thief, why couldn't a thief seize it from Cliff? The solution is to register a proper trademark. Like it or not, the world is messy, and it…

The solution is for Amazon to be less horrid.

There really are no polite words to describe business practices.

Stop buying from Amazon. Quite easy actually.

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Post by ansible »

EricE wrote: post #453
ansible wrote: post #195

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In years past, I'd say his business is perfect for Etsy. But that is a disaster now as well.

Ebay still works very well. While not far from perfect, it's amazing how much better they appear in contrast to pretty much everyone else right now! How sad - they didn't have to get better, everyone else just got a lot worse by comparison.

I was reading stories a couple years ago about how Etsy has been flooded with mass-produced crap, and now it is hard to find actual hand-made stuff by actual crafts-people.

As I understand it, the actually e-commerce was still OK. It was more a problem with discoverability.

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Post by aerospace_guy »

CliffStoll wrote: post #213
indigodaddy wrote: post #119

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There’s a Cliff Stoll Ted Talk!?? I’ve read the book and watched the complimentary PBS side piece, but wasn’t aware of a ted talk, thanks!

Sigh - sends me back 15 years or so. I'd prepared a 1 hour talk. When I was about to go on stage, they told me that I had only 15 minutes. So, well, I remembered one of the few things I learned in grad school: talk fast and don't give 'em a standing target. Covered my points and finished in, yep, 18 minutes.

I just watched this for the first time. Your energy is infectious and inspiring.

Thank you for what you do.

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