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The rise of E Ink Tablets and Note Takers: reMarkable 2 vs Onyx Boox Note Air

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Re: The rise of E Ink Tablets and Note Takers: reMarkable 2 vs Onyx Boox Note Air

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I literally have this comic on my wall: https://poorlydrawnstore.com/products/nice-notebook-print I also just bought a super mini and thick notebook for $10 that I haven't used, but was just so cool looking. I still feel like an idiot for buying it, but maybe I will use it someday.

I have a $2 notebook from Muji sitting in my drawer but it's too nice to write in. It's $2!! Japan is on a whole other level with writing and stationary. Go to a Tokyo Hands or Muji and you'll feel like the type of person that should be writing constantly. I can't imagine we would fetishize writing so much if computers didn't exist.

Those Muji notebooks are treat to write in. Do yourself a favour and start using yours. Once I finish my Moleskine I'm going back to those.

Re: The rise of E Ink Tablets and Note Takers: reMarkable 2 vs Onyx Boox Note Air

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Man, I got the thing because I wanted to use it as an ebook and document reader, but it's totally failed at that for me. I spent hours working on a decent system for getting books on the thing and came up empty. I think it would be good for reading and taking notes on academic papers, but I mostly read books, and I couldn't figure out how to get most books on there. A lot of this is Amazon's fault for kindle being a…

This is what makes the Android eInk devices better IMO. Yeah, note taking is a touch worse but they are way better at reading as you can just grab the Kindle, Kobo, Google Play Books, Libby, Comixology app etc. And getting things off and on is a breeze because it supports MTP and cloud service apps like Dropbox and OneDrive.

Yeah I was researching the Supernote A5X because of this thread and it has support for kindle books already, so maybe it's a better option for me.

Re: The rise of E Ink Tablets and Note Takers: reMarkable 2 vs Onyx Boox Note Air

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we used livescribes which were very usable. However instead of constantly improving their physical device they wasted a few years trying to make a platform for apps.

The pens were fat and they should have invested in making really nice form factors.

1) you wrote on their special dot paper. I filled many moleskin notebooks

2) You could record at the same time that you wrote

3) the writing was digitized

4) You could touch anywhere in the notebook and the audio that was recorded at the time you were taking notes would play.

Livescribes are really amazing, but I think their marketing was crap. Every college student, business analyst etc should be using one by now.

Re: The rise of E Ink Tablets and Note Takers: reMarkable 2 vs Onyx Boox Note Air

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Interesting - thanks for writing up the differences. For me, lack of android is more of a feature for this kind of device.

Not sure why you're getting downvoted – this is certainly a matter of taste. Why do you consider it a feature, though? Here's why I prefer Android over plain Linux on anything that's not a laptop or desktop computer (or a server): - Much more secure. Every app is running in a sandbox and permissions are clearly defined. (This is a big one! I don't want to have to trust the apps I'm running.) - Data encryption by defa…

Part of the draw for me is a device that does very few things with hardware/software optimized for doing those few things well.

In a lot of ways that's the opposite of Android. It doesn't mean that an Android implementation as the base OS has to be bad, but it requires extra effort to constrain it to be good. I've also had performance issues with Android in the past, but maybe that's better now.

Re: The rise of E Ink Tablets and Note Takers: reMarkable 2 vs Onyx Boox Note Air

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Do you have SSH-exploiting self-replicating worms running on your main network?

One would hope not, but it makes connecting to less trusted networks much more risky than it needs to be. And I'm sure that's something users will regularly do. Software updates are infrequent and they certainly aren't pushing out standalone security errata that I've seen.

I don't see this as a fair point when the option is disabled by default, like in this case. If you enabled it, then you should be aware of the risks of it, if you connect it to untrusted networks.

Re: The rise of E Ink Tablets and Note Takers: reMarkable 2 vs Onyx Boox Note Air

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> I'm all for fewer polished features - but we don't get any of those. I don't think that the rest of your comment substantiates this. You don't have any arguments that the core functionality is lacking in some way - everything you say seems to be about non-core things. > Hyperlinks in ePub and PDF didn't work. Note the "didn't", and also PDF hyperlinks is not an "essential" feature for the purpose of the rm2, which…

>That's literally how it's marketed - "Writing, reading, and visualizing only". >Not core to writing and annotating. You're looking for a document-navigation system, which the rm2 is not. Document navigation is absolutely a core part of reading. When I read a book, I page around it because that's how books work. When I reference a book I've already read, I want to look in the index or the table of contents and go the…

> Document navigation is absolutely a core part of reading.

This is a stretch. "Reading" means reading. You open a book and read it cover-to-cover. "Document navigation" is extra stuff beyond reading - it is not core. When you read a novel, you are not expected to jump back and forth between different chapters or sections, and the vast majority of people don't.

When you teach your child to "read", you don't teach them to click on PDF links (that's "web searching" or "computer literacy" or whatever) or to flip to arbitrary pages as fast as possible, or to search through a file - you literally teach them the English alphabet, how to parse words and sentences, and that's it - they know how to read. One knows how to "read" even if they've never seen a computer in their life, and if they don't know how to cross-reference books and articles, and if they don't know how to use an index.

> When I read a book, I page around it because that's how books work.

That's irrelevant. You can write on the margins of a book "because that's how books work", yet that's totally unrelated to "reading". I can clip out fragments of a book and put them on my refrigerator - that doesn't mean that a core part of reading is the extraction of inspirational quotes.

> When I reference a book I've already read, I want to look in the index or the table of contents and go there.

And yet, that's not a "core part of reading", and doesn't need to be optimized as such. The core parts of reading are reading words and flipping pages. Indices and tables of contents, while important, are not a core part of reading - they're important, sure, but if you remove them, you can still read things. That's what "core" means - "core" means "without this element, you cannot do the activity".

Let me repeat that again - if you remove the ability to flip to arbitrary pages (but keep the spot you were last reading in - which the reMarkable does), remove the table of contents, and remove the index, you can still read a book.

Will you be able to perform research effectively? No. But that's not what the reMarkable is for. I'll be the second to admit that the reMarkable 2 is terrible at research - but it's not meant to be used for research, it's meant to be used for simple reading, and note-taking while you do research on another device.

> [...] searching are core scenarios.

False. Their homepage literally never mentions "search" or "index". It's simply not there. Would search be useful? Heck yes. Is it necessary for reading? Absolutely not, see above.

As feature-limited as the reMarkable is, it is upfront about those limited features, and it executes on the features that it does promise at least better than most other pieces of technology.

Re: The rise of E Ink Tablets and Note Takers: reMarkable 2 vs Onyx Boox Note Air

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Has anything improved recently for RM2 around secure sync to a LAN? Would like to experiment with one for my psychiatrist wife to replace her paper chart notes, but anything hitting an external cloud service is out of the question for patient information. Sync via cable would be too obtrusive. And I gather handwriting recognition etc. is done via cloud.

You might be better off with an e-reader running full Android. I use Syncthing Fork, and it lets me do two-way sync between my tablet and a Macbook, which acts as a local server. No middleman cloud service required.

Re: The rise of E Ink Tablets and Note Takers: reMarkable 2 vs Onyx Boox Note Air

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Has anything improved recently for RM2 around secure sync to a LAN? Would like to experiment with one for my psychiatrist wife to replace her paper chart notes, but anything hitting an external cloud service is out of the question for patient information. Sync via cable would be too obtrusive. And I gather handwriting recognition etc. is done via cloud.

You might be better off with an e-reader running full Android. I use Syncthing Fork, and it lets me do two-way sync between my tablet and a Macbook, which acts as a local server. No middleman cloud service required.

If you run syncthing on android you lose its power management. Also it's a horrible OS for long running services for other reasons, one of the largest being how huge apps are and how it quickly kills things when memory gets low.

Re: The rise of E Ink Tablets and Note Takers: reMarkable 2 vs Onyx Boox Note Air

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I have owned a reMarkable 2 since January of this year. While it isn't perfect, I am happy with my purchase. The software updates are stable, the build quality of the hardware is solid.

I love the distraction free writing and this is the main reason I bought it along with school. I put on some Brain.fm and I tend to get lost in my focus and I don't realize hours have gone by.

I have heard that their customer service isn't very good and that devices are hard to get repaired. I haven't had an issues yet and fingers crossed because this is my biggest worry. Something breaks and I am out $600.

AMA...

Re: The rise of E Ink Tablets and Note Takers: reMarkable 2 vs Onyx Boox Note Air

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There is one device that allows you to take digital notes and appear to be paying attention. How do you feel about learning stenography?

The pen and paper kind of steno or the digital kind? What device is this? AFAIK digital steno depends on steno keyboards (which are very cool), and I haven't seen any portable device with one. I would love to have a laptop with an ortholinear n-key rollover keyboard (it's easy to adapt an ortholinear keyboard to steno mode and switch between modes). Also I have not seen any software supporting analog steno, but that…

Sorry I was talking about digital. I didn't even know about the pen and paper kind.

There are portable devices https://github.com/openstenoproject/plover/wiki/Supported-Ha...

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