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Re: LOL just got kicked out of @ycombinator

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Post by neonological »

NicoJuicy wrote: post #469
neonological wrote: post #465

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>He also added ~"there's 2 sides of a story". I don't see why Dang wouldn't be allowed to add a comment regarding this topic. The fact that it's the top post is the most questionable thing here, it seems pinned to the top. The statement is seemingly fair and balanced but make no mistake it's not. A common technique among corporations and public relations experts is to try to seemingly be fair about things that are ob…

You're response to my appreciation of moderation is ( while you are protesting against any moderation outside of the community ): > This is off topic. You are literally comparing things with ( in 1 post): China, covid, dictatorship, serial killers, censorship, educational creationism, biology in schools, ... ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ It's an upvoted comment by a moderator... Nothing more, nothing less. As I said before: chill. Ps. S…

>You are literally comparing things with ( in 1 post): China, covid, dictatorship, serial killers, censorship, educational creationism, biology in schools, ...

Those are called examples. Examples in service of helping to illustrate a point that is still on topic.

You on the other hand wanted to talk about things that were never remarked upon or even true. I never said anything about how dang should stop moderating anything. You brought that up out of nowhere. Hence. Off topic.

>As I said before: chill. >Ps. Still useless content :)

Then stop replying. Stop being rude. There's no point if it's useless for you.

Re: LOL just got kicked out of @ycombinator

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Post by neonological »

grzm wrote: post #474
neonological wrote: post #472

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I mean he can lie right? Like I said, it's a conflict of interest. Most of the things I remarked on are 50/50 in the sense that I'm only 50% sure something sketchy is going on, worth remarking on, but I am not confirming anything. But Dangs post here looks like a freaking announcement where the intention is to indeed pin it at the top of the thread with fake upvotes or whatever mechanism they use with this site. This…

> "I mean he can lie right?" If you're not willing to engage with him in good faith, I have a hard time understanding why you’re commenting in this thread. Have a good evening.

Giving someone with a conflict of interest good faith is extremely unwise. I advise even for you never to do it.

In essence you can say my faith in him is 50% not 100% as good faith seems to imply. So with 50% faith, engagement is still has value. I never met a person who never lied, so every single person I've ever talked to in my life I technically never had 100% good faith towards. I expect everyone to lie and be untrustworthy at some point. For some people it's big things, for other people it's minor white lies. For someone with a conflict of interest I'd be more careful.

Additionally even someone completely untrustworthy can still be communicated with. You can still glean information from such a person by observing his actions. For example if dang censors this thread by deleting the whole thing, that would say a lot. Him not deleting the thread also says a lot.

What I don't understand about you is how you can say you don't "understand" something and then suddenly say "good evening" as if you're leaving. Wouldn't the goal be for you to "stay" and "understand" Or is the goal simply to debate and win or leave if you can't win?

Re: LOL just got kicked out of @ycombinator

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Post by [deleted] »

dang wrote: post #384
duckfang wrote: post #367

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Its not the first time you've been caught in a lie, dang. But folks, this is the secret hackernews site, called BookFace. This is the site that the event happened. Its also a nice site to conspire with other YC companies and YC itself as a cohesive market 'strategy'. https://bookface.ycombinator.com/ And according to sam altman (sama), https://twitter.com/sama/status/631874706543480832 . Fun to read through here.. "i…

What is this "lie" you speak of? Actually, can you please list the other ones too? It's not fair to readers to make a tantalizing claim like that and then not give them enough information to make up their own minds. It's practically dripping with duck fat. Re Bookface: https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=false&qu... Re YC founder usernames- it can't be secret if it's in the FAQ, right? https://news.yc…

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Re: LOL just got kicked out of @ycombinator

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Post by tallgiraffe »

tallgiraffe wrote: post #487
dasickis wrote: post #365

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Since most of these self-righteous comments below still have no idea what they're talking about. The site was for overflow of vaccines that were going unused & being thrown out. The Oakland Coliseum is one of these mega-sites. So many of you don't understand the on-the-ground realities of the communities you're speaking of where I live. I see my neighbors and when FEMA is running these sites they know their goals. It…

Dude, you forget it is 2021 and facts don't matter. Outrage is up to 11, and nothing else matters. Good for you. You got vaccinated, got a few people vaccinated, and the world is safer at large. Ignore the haters~!

Got downvoted for this comment by a mob. How very on brand.

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Post by systemvoltage »

HWR_14 wrote: post #485
systemvoltage wrote: post #317

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A friend of mine flew out from Zurich to CA to get a shot. They gave him one without checking anything. His response? “America has the best vaccine program on the planet. They have so many rules in Zurich that the confusion is holding things back. They’d rather throw away vaccines than break minor rules”. Vaccination should be easy, bureaucracy free and straightforward; especially now . I can understand age restricti…

I don't think anyone's disputing that extra vaccines should go in arms as opposed to getting thrown out. However, given wait times in the 4-8 hour range all over this page, that clearly wasn't the case. And how is this not like standing in line at the DMV. We have a number of people to process and limited resources to process them. It seems like an excellent analogy. If we had to reissue all licenses, I would like to…

I agree with you - it depends and there is a nuance to each situation. Also, it is not like DMV because of the scale of vaccination. Vaccination is more akin to voting - less bureacracy leads to be better outcome. Too many rules and complicated voting process means lower voter turnout.

I hope that makes sense. Vaccination isn't an individual's selfish activity (like DMV queue) - it is a social contract and responsibility to prevent the spread of virus by lowering the r^2 value and breaking the chain of spread. It's not a perfect analogy of course and we're bikeshedding on the accuracy of the analogy... :-/

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Post by yakshaving_jgt »

eyelidlessness wrote: post #470
dang wrote: post #238

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It would depend on the specific circumstances, but I can imagine doing that, or perhaps there would be something else we could do that was better; it's hard to say in general, because cases like that are always very specific. We'd want to explain as much to the community as we could without harmful side-effects, but if someone's safety or privacy is at risk, I'm comfortable telling the community so, and I'm confident…

This is a really disappointing answer. I know, I know discussing moderation here is frowned upon... but come on. You’re basically saying there’s a secondary set of rules that are decided and disclosed arbitrarily. It’s your choice how to moderate, I don’t have any expectation or illusion of a right to use this platform. But can you understand how this creates ambiguity for people who don’t know what the rules ultimat…

> Wouldn’t it be better to refine the rules and disclosure when gaps arise, so everyone is participating in the same system?

I don’t agree with this. I think this idea works in computing systems and thus at least programmers are inclined to think in this fashion, however I don’t believe this is how every other framework functions, e.g., the UK legal system which is largely down to interpretation (and IANAL).

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Post by dfabulich »

HWR_14 wrote: post #489
dfabulich wrote: post #482

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The analogy to food banks makes no sense. I normally acquire food by paying for it at a grocery store. If I could have gone to a grocery store (or pharmacy) to get a vaccine, I would have. If I could have paid for a vaccine, I would have. You're imagining a world where food banks give out magic apples that not only nourish you but also nourish everyone you come into contact with, a world where food is only available…

You could have gone to a grocery store or a pharmacy for the vaccine. Every grocery store with an in house pharmacy and ever major chain of pharmacies offered it. You just didn't want to wait your turn. But, besides that, Mt. Zion was set aside for a high-risk community. You didn't have the same risk factors but helped yourself to one of their doses. I don't see how that's not applicable. I mean, the food was availab…

Mt. Zion wasn't "set aside for a high-risk community." It should have been, and indeed it was set aside earlier that week, but by Thursday morning they opened the gates and let everyone in. https://archive.is/Z55Oe

As a result, it was my turn, after I waited in line for four hours at a "first come, first serve" vaccination site.

Elsewhere you allege that @dasickis and I were "skirting eligibility rules." You know that's not true. Perhaps there should have been eligibility rules, but there simply weren't. There weren't even eligibility guidelines, not even a written sign saying "for West Oakland residents only."

The lack of rules actually means something. Due to the lack of rules, I didn't have the option to give the vaccine I took to an underprivileged person of color in the West Oakland community.

The SF Chronicle article describes the last person in line on Friday, "Roz M., a 37-year-old from Hayward with vivid purple hair."

Do you think I owed it to Roz to offer her the vaccine I took? You may say that neither of us deserved a vaccine, but, due to the lack of rules, in fact, it was me, or Roz.

(And let's not forget that I have a special obligation to my kid, who's not yet old enough to be vaccinated, to vaccinate myself and the adults in our family. I have no such special obligation to Roz.)

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Post by cactus2093 »

mbgerring wrote: post #274
dasickis wrote: post #120

I'm the person this original tweet was about. None of you know any of the internal details but what I can state is that Paul has no idea what he's talking about and later admits to the fact I wasn't lying. Here's the order of events: 1. I went to a neighborhood clinic in Oakland, CA that's literally next door to my house, I can see the church from my window. Paul lives in NYC which is on the opposite end of the count…

So just so everyone has the full context: Oakland opened up its vaccination sites to more people on a shorter timeline than the rest of the state, in certain ZIP codes with disproportionately poor residents, in order to get vaccines to those disproportionately poor residents. I know this because this is how several of my friends who live in West Oakland got vaccinated ahead of the eligibility opening up in the rest o…

There are tens of millions of people in the US who were careless, got covid, and then spread it to others in the past year who have more blood on their hands than anyone who cut a vaccine line. Vaccine line cutting is just such a bizarre thing to take a hard moral stance on. And even now months later when the opposite problem of vaccine hesitancy is a much bigger concern, you’re still calling someone out for not even having done it but for perhaps having inadvertently encouraged others to do it.

I’ve seen a lot of pointless internet fights but this is truly next level.

Re: LOL just got kicked out of @ycombinator

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Post by alisonkisk »

dang wrote: post #295
magicalist wrote: post #282

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> Much as I'd love to, it's not my place to say why the original title was inaccurate, so I'll just remind you all that there are two or more sides to every story and not everything on Twitter is true. This reads a bit like "not to be that guy, but...". You won't say why for some reason, but clearly it's not to stay out of it because you're letting innuendo do the job. Alternative suggestion: "That is inaccurate but…

I don't see that alternative formulation as so different really? I'm sure you have a good point, I'm just not sure how to do it better. I needed to give enough of an explanation to satisfy people's curiosity at least a little bit even though I can't satisfy it for real. I also needed to make sure that my comment had enough information in it to answer (let's say) the top 10 obvious objections, or it would have brought…

You can't satisfy the people who don't want to be satisfied.
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