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Re: 2022 Ford F-150 Lightning

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Post by throwaway0a5e »

gilbetron wrote: post #262
kibwen wrote: post #150

Ironically, the frunk on electric trucks is a game-changer. Complementing the bed with an enclosed, waterproof, secure place to carry things (and no mucking around with insecure bed covers) is a killer feature. No more springing for a crew cab just to carry groceries in the rear seats. In terms of practical carrying capacity this dominates an SUV.

That's what I was most excited about, and agree it is a game changer. Hopefully we can get small e-pickups at some point - I have a 2004 Toyota Tacoma that I love, and it would be amazing with a frunk, but you can't really get small pickups that size anymore.

>you can't really get small pickups that size anymore

Write your representative and tell them to thank the EPA and NHTSA for doing their jobs. The death of the small pickup is squarely the fault of the confluence of fuel economy and crash safety regulations.

Re: 2022 Ford F-150 Lightning

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Post by bombcar »

avidphantasm wrote: post #434
dboreham wrote: post #319

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Story from when we moved to Montana 20 years ago: We buy a freezer at Costco. Checking out, we ask for details on delivery. Costco employee says "Oh, we don't deliver". We had been used to Costco in CA which at the time would deliver large items. I ask "Well, how do people get big things like freezers home". Costco person says "Easy, just put it in your pickup, we'll help you load". "Hmm...we don't own a pickup". Cos…

Or just rent a pickup when you need it for $50 a day? Fancy-boy pickups easily cost upwards of $50k.

For those in a similar situation, note that most home-improvement stores rent a pickup for something like $20 for 75 minutes, usually enough to get a load home.

And one step up from that, full truckload delivery is often $75-150, and sometimes even comes with a forklift. Often you can get it thrown in free if the order is large enough.

Re: 2022 Ford F-150 Lightning

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Post by mountainethos »

jrsj wrote: post #233

There’s a lot of stereotyping of truck owners going on in this thread which is kind of funny given how pro-EV HN normally is. It’s like the aesthetics of a pickup truck is offensive to some people. Kind of bizarre and not something I’m used to seeing but I guess I live in Ohio so that probably has something to do with it. A lot of people just want to move stuff, they don’t want to like…burn your house down while wear…

Some people seem to enjoy passing moral judgements onto others.

What doesn't make sense to me is when someone who drives any gas car judges someone who drives a truck. Do they feel validated in their choices because someone made worse choices? Or do they decide that 30mpg is such a morally superior position than 20mpg that they have the right to judge others?

Re: 2022 Ford F-150 Lightning

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Post by benlivengood »

toomuchtodo wrote: post #27
dubcanada wrote: post #18

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Wait, so you're against cars? I am confused as to what any of that has to do with the new electric F-150.

EVs are heavier by nature (this vehicle’s battery pack alone is ~1800 lbs). Your average driver is not good at driving. The F150 sells very well. Ergo, more risk of more property damage and human harm. You can’t get around physics. More mass with more force carries more risk.

Comparing actual stopping distances for passenger cars and light pickups: https://special-reports.pickuptrucks.com/2015/01/2015-annual... https://www.consumerreports.org/car-safety/best-and-worst-br...

Basically light duty trucks take an extra 10-30 feet stopping from 60 MPH. This is dwarfed by distance travelled during reaction time. In the 1960's sedans were in the ~150 ft range for 60-0, about what modern pickups achieve.

Heavier vehicles have more kinetic energy at the same speed but the braking force for all vehicles is proportional to mass and friction with the road surface which depends on tire quality and road material, and since acceleration is proportional to mass from a given force the deceleration from braking is basically the same at any mass with equivalent tires and road surface.

Re: 2022 Ford F-150 Lightning

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Post by throwaway413 »

jrsj wrote: post #233

There’s a lot of stereotyping of truck owners going on in this thread which is kind of funny given how pro-EV HN normally is. It’s like the aesthetics of a pickup truck is offensive to some people. Kind of bizarre and not something I’m used to seeing but I guess I live in Ohio so that probably has something to do with it. A lot of people just want to move stuff, they don’t want to like…burn your house down while wear…

El Camino.

Problem solved.

Re: 2022 Ford F-150 Lightning

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Post by wing-_-nuts »

My first vehicle I bought with my own money was a truck. In retrospect, it was a mistake. It got shitty gas milage, had downright dangerous performance (0-60 in 16 seconds made for some white knuckle backroad passing), and 90% of the time my bed was empty.

If I had been smart, and bought a small hatchback or wagon, I'd probably still be driving it to this day, and it'd have 90% of the hauling capability of my truck.

An electric pickup solves a lot of the issues I had with my old truck, but understand, this is a premium product. Pickup truck owners are a stubborn bunch. EVs will have a hard time penetrating that market. It may take a few decades.

Re: 2022 Ford F-150 Lightning

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Post by ggreer »

thomascgalvin wrote: post #342
rootusrootus wrote: post #271

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> No comprehensive supercharger network. This is a real big deal still. I agree that this is important, but it is 99% psychological. In the entire time I owned my Tesla, I used the supercharger a half dozen times. Most people with an EV that has 200+ miles of range will rarely use DC fast chargers.

I very, very rarely drive my car further than a hundred miles in a day; for my day-to-day work, a 200 mile range would be more than comfortable, and I'd be able to recharge to full overnight. But every once in a while we drive about 200 miles to visit the in-laws, and I would be super nervous about attempting that in an EV. At best we'd be close to empty by the time we arrived, I don't know the state of the charger s…

With Teslas, you plug in your destination and it provides directions with charging stops. For example: I drove over 600 miles from Portland to Berkeley starting at 25% battery. It routed me to three charging stops[1] and included times for both arrival and how long charging would take.

If you have the navigate on autopilot feature, it automatically drives you from freeway onramp to exit. It's far less mentally taxing than driving manually.

1. https://i.imgur.com/n8QmiPb.jpg

Re: 2022 Ford F-150 Lightning

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Post by nexuist »

throwaway0a5e wrote: post #501
gilbetron wrote: post #262

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's what I was most excited about, and agree it is a game changer. Hopefully we can get small e-pickups at some point - I have a 2004 Toyota Tacoma that I love, and it would be amazing with a frunk, but you can't really get small pickups that size anymore.

>you can't really get small pickups that size anymore Write your representative and tell them to thank the EPA and NHTSA for doing their jobs. The death of the small pickup is squarely the fault of the confluence of fuel economy and crash safety regulations.

I'm not following - how would a smaller (and presumably lighter weight) truck have worse fuel economy than the giants we see today?

Re: 2022 Ford F-150 Lightning

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Post by Drunk_Engineer »

peter422 wrote: post #447
CalRobert wrote: post #8

It's great to see the best selling vehicle in the US be zero emissions. It's wonderful. But this truck will be very heavy, very tall, and very fast. Drivers are already the leading killers of children, and more and more people are being killed while walking and cycling. I'm very worried about the effect of making this vehicle even faster and heavier. Hopefully reduced deaths from pollution offset this.

I’m very passionate about pedestrian deaths in cities (SF specifically), but based on all the incidents I can remember I don’t think pickup trucks are causing a disproportionate number. Pedestrian deaths are mostly caused by normal cars going at high speeds through red lights or crosswalks. A truck sold with automatic braking would likely be much safer than a car from the past in terms of pedestrian safety.

SF just has fewer trucks, which is why you probably don't recall too many incidents. Nationwide, increasing number of SUV/trucks is a major problem in ped safety.

Re: 2022 Ford F-150 Lightning

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Post by chrisBob »

jrsj wrote: post #233

There’s a lot of stereotyping of truck owners going on in this thread which is kind of funny given how pro-EV HN normally is. It’s like the aesthetics of a pickup truck is offensive to some people. Kind of bizarre and not something I’m used to seeing but I guess I live in Ohio so that probably has something to do with it. A lot of people just want to move stuff, they don’t want to like…burn your house down while wear…

As far as the trim is concerned: I also wonder what the cost for the 4-door model will be. All of the marketing photos are 4-door "Super-Crew" models. Currently a Super Crew truck with the base trim and 4x4 starts at $42k. The electric version sound like a bargain if they are actually talking about that version of the truck.
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