LiveLeak shuts down after 15 years online • Hacker News Board

Re: LiveLeak shuts down after 15 years online

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Post by teachingassist » Thu, May 06, 2021, 1:13 PM UTC

skrebbel wrote: post #314

plank_time wrote: post #234

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But that’s life. I have 2 friends that died in a car accident. They were in their mid-20s. A split second accident. If they didn’t drive that night, they probably would never get as close to death as they did that night. But it happened and all their efforts were erased in a second. It’s not just war that causes that.

The difference is not only the scale of things but especially that a war is caused by people, on purpose, too often with the consent of their population. Car accidents are exactly that, accidents.

> Car accidents are exactly that, accidents.

I disagree.

With car design, function and ownership as they are, we (the people) accept that there is an uncommonly high risk of a crash and serious injury to ourselves and to the general public.

We only call it an "accident" to abrogate that responsibility.

On the point about scale: some wikipedia browsing suggests road traffic deaths currently kill about 10 times as many people as wars, globally.

Re: LiveLeak shuts down after 15 years online

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Post by xfitm3 » Thu, May 06, 2021, 1:14 PM UTC

madeofpalk wrote: post #418

capableweb wrote: post #372

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Of course "cesspool" is bad, "alt-right cesspool" is the same amount of badness. The reason you don't see a lot of "alt-left cesspool"s is because usually those people don't need to hide on alternative social media, as the mainstream ones are fine with alt-left people. Alt-right are the ones who are currently being fired if their opinion are being shared publicly. Now I'm neither of those, and have no fists in the fi…

Let be clear here though - usually the "alt-right" viewpoints that people are (supposedly) fired for are... violent, or call for discrimination or other things like that. There's no huge threat of people being fired for wanting less regulation on companies.

You bet your ass people are getting fired for any type of right leaning ideology. Not violence, discrimination, or any other extreme viewpoint.

Re: LiveLeak shuts down after 15 years online

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Post by JCharante » Thu, May 06, 2021, 1:16 PM UTC

jm__87 wrote: post #478

lmm wrote: post #333

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The vast majority of car "accidents" (more properly collisions) are the predictable result of policy choices.

What policy change could possibly be made to make people better drivers?

Take care driving as serious as aviation. Mandatory dash cams to make it easier to assign blame, automatic sensors which alert police when they detect the driver is behaving erratically. Make it easy to report other drivers for bad behavior (sitting on someone else's bumper, brake checking them, cutting them off, jersey lane swapping) which results in mandatory training or points off their license.

Re: LiveLeak shuts down after 15 years online

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Post by ticviking » Thu, May 06, 2021, 1:18 PM UTC

A_non_e-moose wrote: post #344

ItemFix FAQs are more informative on what is succeeding LiveLeaks https://www.itemfix.com/faq "What exactly is Itemfix? Itemfix is a website that lets users post and edit ("fix") video - , image - and audio files ("items"). Any registered user can turn existing items into "fixes"." "What is a fix? A fix can be a video, image or audio file generated out of one or more items that exist in the ItemFix system. An example…

Honestly allowing graphic content to get mixed and have context added feels like the best(and worst) of both worlds.

Re: LiveLeak shuts down after 15 years online

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Post by gunshai » Thu, May 06, 2021, 1:18 PM UTC

madeofpalk wrote: post #483

ohbleek wrote: post #473

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Saying homosexuality shouldn’t be legal isn’t an opinion, it’s bigotry. Viewpoints that infringe on a persons rights are not opinions, it’s discrimination. I agree people should be able to speak freely but I also believe in standards. To take another example, if somebody has the “opinion” that women shouldn’t be able to refuse their husbands sexual advances, is this discussion that is acceptable or is it bigotry? Sho…

Again, lets go back further. Should we have racial segregation? Is that an opinion that we should entertain discussion around? At the end of the day there are some viewpoints that "we" - general society - just deem to be wrong .

Understanding the futility of policing bad ideas or "wrong" ideas is capableweb's point. Whether or not society deems the idea as wrong or immoral reprehensible ect. the utterance of the words being judged as tantamount to the immoral act itself has shown to not be very helpful.

This shift has ever expanded the militarized zone of topics one can't even discuss and all for what purpose? It seems like the enclaves of bad and dangerous ideas now insulated from the very influence of better information. It this not just the worst of both worlds?

Re: LiveLeak shuts down after 15 years online

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Post by lmm » Thu, May 06, 2021, 1:19 PM UTC

jm__87 wrote: post #478

lmm wrote: post #333

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The vast majority of car "accidents" (more properly collisions) are the predictable result of policy choices.

What policy change could possibly be made to make people better drivers?

Stricter driving tests is the obvious one.

Re: LiveLeak shuts down after 15 years online

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Post by yesenadam » Thu, May 06, 2021, 1:20 PM UTC

xtian wrote: post #494

DyslexicAtheist wrote: post #399

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great comment. some thoughts . > this war began and ended technically it did. realistically it hasn't for those who live there? (see also Afghanistan where the women and children now get to enjoy the mess and radicalization the US left behind). Maybe Iraq ended because we decided not to look at it any more? > Should somebody have rightfully stepped in and stopped us from engaging in these conquests? not sure if it wo…

“Economic pressure” also kills children and brings suffering to the people. The fact is that the US has bankrolled or committed itself atrocities just as gruesome as any of the “evil dictators” against which our media drums up popular fervor. Look into what we did in the Marshall Islands, for instance, (documented in the film The Coming War on China ) or what we bankrolled in Chile under Pinochet. But let’s not prete…

> let’s not pretend our opinions have any significance in these matters.

I disagree strongly with this. That's what the powerful want you to think and feel—that your opinion has no significance. Fortunately, it's not true.

Re: LiveLeak shuts down after 15 years online

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Post by dagw » Thu, May 06, 2021, 1:20 PM UTC

jm__87 wrote: post #478

lmm wrote: post #333

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The vast majority of car "accidents" (more properly collisions) are the predictable result of policy choices.

What policy change could possibly be made to make people better drivers?

Much stricter requirements for getting (and keeping) your drivers license. Policies focusing on reducing drunk driving (both focusing changing attitudes, increasing the risk of getting caught and increasing the punishments for people caught). More consistent and continuous enforcement of existing driving laws. You can probably do more to get unsafe cars off the roads. There is a lot you can do around designing roads and traffic flows in ways that reduce the risk of accidents.

Re: LiveLeak shuts down after 15 years online

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Post by throwaway0a5e » Thu, May 06, 2021, 1:21 PM UTC

praptak wrote: post #280

nostromo wrote: post #27

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War and terrorism was definitely made “more real” on LiveLeak than what you’d experience via the media or YouTube. I also found a real appreciation for other things: driving safely, worker protections, fire safety. These “boring” things take on more importance when you can see what happens when you ignore them. I don't think people should dwell on these morbid things. But seeing just one or two videos of, for example…

I remember they used to show bad car crashes as part of the training you could take to reduce the number of penalty points (Polish road code, accumulate 24, lose your driving license). My colleague, who was a bit of a petrolhead, took it. It made him drive safe(r) at least for a few weeks.

Safety is in bad company these days because it's so often (I'd say 10:1, probably even 100:1) presented by people who have ulterior self serving motives (typically they have no skin in the game and are just in it for the virtue points).

It's one thing to have a driver's ed instructor, your plant manager or someone else in a position of authority who presumably knows what they're talking about and has at least some semblance of skin in the game show you those things and lecture you about safety.

Listening to a bunch of Redditors and HNers and Youtube commenters, etc, etc. grandstand nonstop about safety, safety, safety, safety, even when the relevance of and pretext for such grandstanding is very flimsy is counterproductive.

You can't post about on the internet these days without some jerk swooping in and making some borderline irrelevant comment about safety in order to score cheap virtue points which then derails everything. Heck, just discussing it at the work lunch table there's a 50-50 chance the same derailment happens in real life.

Being told you need to worry about not electrocuting yourself when changing a tire on Prius or you need to worry about carbon monoxide when lighting a single candle doesn't make people care about safety. It rightly makes them annoyed and suspicious.

Re: LiveLeak shuts down after 15 years online

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Post by uKGgZfqqNZtf7Za » Thu, May 06, 2021, 1:23 PM UTC

Bancakes wrote: post #191

bmiller2 wrote: post #23

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Having never heard of bitchute, I just checked it out. It’s basically just right wing nut job stuff. I think LiveLeak at least was a little more “balanced”, in that it was about entertaining content, regardless of the political ideology.

Yeah it's sadly the same with odysee and other alternative sites.

> same with odysee and other alternative sites.

I just loaded the front page of Odysee. Here is a summary of the top videos it shows me: explanation of a helicopter accident, SpaceX SN15, corgis, green house design, guinea pigs, GPU review, Democratic Socialist, and a Godzilla vs Kong comic.

That doesn't track with your opinion of the site.