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EU experts to say nuclear power qualifies for green investment label: document

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Re: EU experts to say nuclear power qualifies for green investment label: document

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Wow. Have you any idea how much his study pushed up the mean or got a summary of how his study differed? As you say, the estimates vary wildly and I haven’t really got any idea where his sit relative to others

For this thread, your previous uninformed comments sadly made my post three levels up end up at -2, so all of this is kinda hidden. Please post again with this "newfound knowledge" in future threads.

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Re: EU experts to say nuclear power qualifies for green investment label: document

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Yeah but i can imagine as we scale the hall like that will soon be able to contain only 10 years worth of material. Then 1 year etc...

Scale what? France already generates all of its own power requirements and is a net exporter of electricity. They're at 100% scale already.

In 2015, the National Assembly voted that by 2025 only 50% of France's energy will be produced by nuclear plants. Source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_power_in_France

The main pertinent local project is an utter disaster, see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flamanville_3

Re: EU experts to say nuclear power qualifies for green investment label: document

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> 1. Nuclear has much worse failure modes. Do you have a source? There's plenty of larger fossil fuel catastrophes that just aren't well known because they are in third world countries, so who gives a fuck, right? [0] (note that this is 1700 square miles) I'm not sure this point if about environmental damage or human not being able to live there damage. If the former, I think climate change is a pretty apparent count…

> Do you have a source? Yes, Chernobyl. Unless you can point me to a _single_ non-nuclear power plant accident that has rendered 1,000 square miles uninhabitable for 35 years (and counting) then my point stands. Pro-nuclear advocates always bring up the health effects of coal. Yes, it’s terrible. But you’ve also picked the worst offender (what about natural gas?) and those health effects are spread across the entire…

> Yes, Chernobyl. Unless you can point me to a _single_ non-nuclear power plant accident that has rendered 1,000 square miles uninhabitable for 35 years (and counting) then my point stands.

So, let's not build shitty soviet designs (which were known to be bad even back then). Got it. If that's all .. can we get back to work now? We have coal power plants to decommission.

Re: EU experts to say nuclear power qualifies for green investment label: document

#504
post #382

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Wow. Have you any idea how much his study pushed up the mean or got a summary of how his study differed? As you say, the estimates vary wildly and I haven’t really got any idea where his sit relative to others

For this thread, your previous uninformed comments sadly made my post three levels up end up at -2, so all of this is kinda hidden. Please post again with this "newfound knowledge" in future threads.

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Re: EU experts to say nuclear power qualifies for green investment label: document

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post #416

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The Hague is closer to the Irish sea, and currents at that location tend to push to the atlantic rather than into the North sea.

Scientific studies show its pollution reaches the North Sea. Simple current maps show current flows through the channel into the North Sea. However, thank you for highlighting it also pollutes the Irish Sea, channel and Atlantic.

Interesting. Do you have a link to the study ?

Re: EU experts to say nuclear power qualifies for green investment label: document

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> The issue is not finding a place that's geologically stable now. But finding one that's geologically stable in 850.000 years. Something that takes several hundred thousand years for decay isn't actually dangerous. Short half-life: High radioactivity. Long half-life: Low radioactivity. Furthermore, spent nuclear fuel can be recycled up to 95%: > https://www.energy.gov/ne/articles/5-fast-facts-about-spent-... > https…

It is unfortunate you included the last paragraph in your comment as the rest of the comment seemed legitimate, but the issue in Texas had nothing to do with renewables, they were not scheduled to meet much of the system demand and the cause of the outage was numerous other plants not able to run due to the cold. Including the last paragraph brings all the other points in to doubt, even though I otherwise agree with…

I had the same impression. Quite sad that this anti renewable propaganda bit taints the entire post.

Re: EU experts to say nuclear power qualifies for green investment label: document

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> When you have dynamic pricing, variable supply works out, as nobody is obligated to produce any fixed amount of power. No, thats not really how it works out. Baseload should actually be called baseload demand. The idea of baseload demand, is that there is some minimum level of electricity, that will always be demanded, almost no matter how high prices go. Or, in other words, there is some about electricity demand i…

I think the situation in Texas recently illustrated this pretty well.

Texas illustrated what happens in the current old system if there are unexpected drops due to breakdowns in supply when consumers are relying on affordable supply following consumption. Pricing can't fix a situation like that.

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I just don't really see how this is true. Isn't the basic idea to just dig a really deep hole somewhere geologically stable and dump it in? My impression isn't that the problem isn't solvable, but simply that no one has actually made the appropriate investment yet. That sounds like the same catch-22 as the rest of this. We've thrown up our hands and gone "Not worth it" and then our lack of investment in proper storag…

> geologically stable Isn't really a think when we thing about the time scale of nuclear wast... Additionally Politicians mess in seriously bad ways with anything related to nuclear. Like pushing for nuclear power but if it's found that the objective best place to store the wast underground is around where they live they will try all kind of things to exclude the best suited place from the list of potential candidate…

> Isn't really a think when we thing about the time scale of nuclear wast...

The people involved in these plans aren't idiots, they know what the time scale of nuclear waste is and they look for sites with that in mind [0]. They appear to be considering obvious problems like earthquakes and less obvious problems like ice ages.

[0]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deep_geological_repository

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> Terrorists are not known to be the most logical people, to be honest Terrorists want blood and guts on national TV, not a statistical raise in cancer over 30 years.

Look around you at the world stricken by pandemic. What self respecting terrorist isn’t pivoting to bioweapons now instead of keeping Black Sunday or The Sum of All Fears on loop in the headquarters (for the life of me I can’t remember the name of the Tom Clancy book where Iran weaponizes Ebola)

> (for the life of me I can’t remember the name of the Tom Clancy book where Iran weaponizes Ebola)

Executive Orders.

IilIRC his last actual book.

Re: EU experts to say nuclear power qualifies for green investment label: document

#510

There's a lot of straw men being fought in the comments again. The main issue with nuclear power in Europe has always been the storage of nuclear waste, for which many countries still don't have a long-term solution. Proponents of nuclear power like to pretend the opposition exists merely on the basis of "but what if it goes boom!", so they don't need to face the reality that countries like Germany are sitting on a l…

It goes even beyond this and comments like yours are important to stress that there is a lot of nuance. If you count carbon emissions related to building the plant, the enrichment facility, the storage facility, the mining, the lonf-term maintenance, the decomissioning, etc you end with quite a carbon footprint as (so far) that all relies on diesel.
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