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Re: GitHub blocks entire company because one employee was in Iran

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Post by denton-scratch »

rabite wrote: post #488
will4274 wrote: post #454

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There's a lot in your post that's wrong and this comment won't allow me to correct all of it. Grabbing two: - the Arab nations don't consider themselves kin (or "coethnics" whatever that means) with the Palestinians. When Jordan and Egypt controlled the Palestinian territory, they treated the Palestinians worse then Israeli does today. - the groups that commit the vast majority of rape (per capita or otherwise) in th…

The Arab nations absolutely consider themselves kin with Palestinians. Pan-Arabism, Baathism (the ruling philosophy of Syria, which Palestine is a part of), and the Greater Syria of the SSNP are all extremely popular Arab world ideologies which include Palestinians in a framework of all Arab peoples. Your statement is extremely incorrect, and I find it extremely unlikely that someone who lived in the Levant would not…

"Syria, which Palestine is a part of"

What an extraordinary claim. It demands an explanation. There is no part of Palestine in which Syrian law runs. There are no Syrian cops or troops in Palestine. There are no Syrian government offices in Palestine.

Re: GitHub blocks entire company because one employee was in Iran

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Post by Chris2048 »

srtjstjsj wrote: post #264
Chris2048 wrote: post #240

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> You are punishing other people.. Just like terrorists injuring people. Because terrorism implies violence. What kind of deaths result from economic embargo?

Starvation and disease.

So Iran cannot support it's own population wrt food without imports?

Re: GitHub blocks entire company because one employee was in Iran

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Post by bogomipz »

edumucelli wrote: post #497
bogomipz wrote: post #405

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You realize that there are between 194 and 197 countries in the world depending on who is doing the recognizing[1]. Could you please provide a citation for the 191+ countries you say the US has invaded? [1] https://www.worldatlas.com/articles/how-many-countries-are-i...

https://www.wearethemighty.com/articles/these-are-the-only-3...

From your link:

>"According to Kelly and Laycock’s book, the United States has invaded or fought in 84 of the 193 countries recognized by the United Nations and has been militarily involved with 191 of 193 – a staggering 98 percent."

"Invaded or fought in" - that's a pretty big "or" there no? The theater of operations for the US Military in World War II was easily 84 countries in itself [1]. Also 84 countries is not all but 3 is it? Nor would it be considered "most" as you stated.

Further that's not really a citation that supports your assertion. It's a post with a single reference to a book entitled "America Invades: How We've Invaded or been Militarily Involved with almost Every Country on Earth." The phrase "or been Militarily Involved with" is casting a pretty wide net no? That's quite a nebulous clause. If you sell someone a tank you are "militarily involved" with them. By that dubious measure much of the globe is "militarily involved" with each other.

Have you read this book? What's seems to be notable about this book is the absence of any footnotes or bibliographic information. This is quite odd for a history book. I think this book could be accurately described as "entertainment reading" as it seems to lack any academic rigor.

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_theaters_of_oper...

Re: GitHub blocks entire company because one employee was in Iran

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Post by rabite »

denton-scratch wrote: post #501
rabite wrote: post #488

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The Arab nations absolutely consider themselves kin with Palestinians. Pan-Arabism, Baathism (the ruling philosophy of Syria, which Palestine is a part of), and the Greater Syria of the SSNP are all extremely popular Arab world ideologies which include Palestinians in a framework of all Arab peoples. Your statement is extremely incorrect, and I find it extremely unlikely that someone who lived in the Levant would not…

"Syria, which Palestine is a part of" What an extraordinary claim. It demands an explanation. There is no part of Palestine in which Syrian law runs. There are no Syrian cops or troops in Palestine. There are no Syrian government offices in Palestine.

Throughout all of history Palestine was a part of Syria.

From the "Syria Palaestina" of Roman times all through the Rashidun, Umayyad, Abbasid, and Fatimid Caliphates, the Ayyubid dynasty, and the Mamluk Sultanate, the borders of Syria have nearly always encompassed all of what is described as Palestinian territories today, with a special exception made either for the occupation of Jerusalem by the Christian First Crusade or in the 19th century the Jerusalem Mutasarrifate of Jerusalem was split away into a special region given legal autonomy as a city-state, much like Vatican City.

All through this time, for thousands of years up through the Ottoman era, the borders of Syria included what are now described as the Palestinian territories. You can see them on a map here:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ottoman_Syria

You can also check maps available on Wikipedia for the historical borders of Syria during the Caliphates, which have always encompassed Palestine.

Palestine was never an independent nation at any point in history. It was always a part of Syria, and Syria today considers it Syrian temporarily-occupied territory stolen by Western-sponsored violence and terrorism.

Re: GitHub blocks entire company because one employee was in Iran

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Post by kavalg »

risyachka wrote: post #294
kavalg wrote: post #245

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WRT self hosting, GitLab could be painful, but Gitea is really easy to host and keep up to date.

I've been self-hosting gitlab for few years now in my company and never had a problem.

How much resources does that consume (both compute and human)? Have you done upgrades?

Re: GitHub blocks entire company because one employee was in Iran

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Post by capableweb »

claudiawerner wrote: post #489
claudiawerner wrote: post #30

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To the extent that a law is unjust or otherwise morally wrong, it could be said there is a moral responsibility to disobey an unjust law (where one would otherwise be following it in a way which results in the unjust outcome). Note that GP isn't saying that it's permissible to break any law, only immoral ones. It may be countered that the law isn't actually unjust (nor immoral), but a more convincing point is that it…

I'm surprised this got downvoted. Can anyone explain why and help me understand what mistake I've made in my argument?

I for one enjoyed your comment, I think it's just a heated subject and HN tends to swing up/down with the votes on those topics, no matter if you argue well or not. I don't necessarily agree with everything you said, but it's well argued in general, and now I do understand the point of view I did not understand before. So thank you!

Re: GitHub blocks entire company because one employee was in Iran

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Post by rurban »

inlined wrote: post #342
rurban wrote: post #320

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I would blame the automatic sanctioning software triggering such as situation, without checking if the new access from Iran was by a tourist or citizen. Adding an org block for minor access within two weeks is overreach.

I’m unaware of a library that checks citizenship of the user behind an IP address.

Exactly, that's why cannot block somebody on the first access. Even prosecutors will understand this.

Re: GitHub blocks entire company because one employee was in Iran

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Post by richardwhiuk »

afroboy wrote: post #139
wccrawford wrote: post #84

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Only if you're okay with the legal consequences of sabotaging the company. They absolutely can sue you for it, and you might even face criminal prosecution for such a thing.

On what basis they are going to sue him? he visited a specific country and than boom. how in the hell are going to prove that he did it in purpose.?

On the basis of this comment thread :)

Re: GitHub blocks entire company because one employee was in Iran

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Post by denton-scratch »

rabite wrote: post #504
denton-scratch wrote: post #501

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"Syria, which Palestine is a part of" What an extraordinary claim. It demands an explanation. There is no part of Palestine in which Syrian law runs. There are no Syrian cops or troops in Palestine. There are no Syrian government offices in Palestine.

Throughout all of history Palestine was a part of Syria. From the "Syria Palaestina" of Roman times all through the Rashidun, Umayyad, Abbasid, and Fatimid Caliphates, the Ayyubid dynasty, and the Mamluk Sultanate, the borders of Syria have nearly always encompassed all of what is described as Palestinian territories today, with a special exception made either for the occupation of Jerusalem by the Christian First Cr…

So: "Palestine WAS a part of Syria", ergo "Palestine IS part of Syria"?

Sounds like: "Palestine was inhabited by Jews", ergo "Israel is entitled to the whole of Palestine".

I evidently have a defective logic board. I'd better check myself in for servicing.

Re: GitHub blocks entire company because one employee was in Iran

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Post by jhasse »

richardwhiuk wrote: post #158
jhasse wrote: post #154

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I doubt it.

There's definitely an argument that GitHub is one of the primary reasons that Git beat Mercurial.

I've used Mercurial. It sucks compared to Git. And not because I can't use it on GitHub.
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