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Re: Amazon EC2 Mac Instances

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Post by dannyw »

syshum wrote: post #285
dannyw wrote: post #259

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You’re describing the first sale doctrine. Unfortunately, it doesn’t apply to digital licenses; at least not today.

Depends on if the courts look at this as a hardware issue or "digital" software one. I have a feeling they would look at like renting physical hardware in which the first sale doctrine would absoltely apply. of course like with anything in the legal system it will take a company like Amazon that has their own team of $1,000/hr lawyers to face up against Apple's team of $1,000/hr lawyers in order to get a precedent se…

You are welcome to do anything with the physical hardware: you just can’t run the software.

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Post by andybak »

ballenf wrote: post #421
andybak wrote: post #273

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My use case is that I need to build for a recent iOS device but I don't want to upgrade my Macbook to an os version that doesn't support 32bit apps. But the 24hr thing kills it for me. I will never get 24 hours use out of it. Maybe a few hours. Why am I paying for the other 21 hours? Maybe someone can wrap this SaaS in a other Saas and sell timeshares in a virtual Mac.

Could you virtualize a newer MacOS version on your Mac hardware?

> Could you virtualize a newer MacOS version on your Mac hardware?

Yes but I'm more likely to vierualize on my more powerful and better value PC. The EULA is rather hard to enforce and I don't have any moral qualms in this particular case.

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inopinatus wrote: post #486
ThrowawayR2 wrote: post #480

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For what Amazon is asking, one could have both an extra hot _and_ an extra cold standby locally, so it still doesn't make economic sense for a large company.

In a very substantial number of enterprises; the cost of procuring, validating, installing, powering, cooling, fire-rating, commissioning, maintaining, writing up, handing over, revising, reporting, auditing, approving, and very occasionally actually executing those hot cold standby procedures, exceeds the entire purchase cost of the cold standby unit .

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dfabulich wrote: post #431
inopinatus wrote: post #214

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Those numbers actually make the AWS instances a shoo-in for my current development purposes. The cost of housing and managing a unit of hardware is nonzero. Actuals vary wildly by location, purposes, and sector; but if everyone can get their heads out of the hobbyist-tinkerer mindset for a moment and consider that lifetime TCO is a real and meaningful consideration for businesses, then the component that isn't buying…

> Since my duty cycle for a Mac Mini is rather less than 20%, the economics even of on-demand instances immediately make sense MacStadium's prices are "rather less than 20%" of AWS's prices. To make sense, AWS would have to be comparable to MacStadium's pricing. And don't forget the 24-hour minimum. If your duty cycle for a Mac Mini is only 20% per day every weekday, well, you can't rent a Mac Mini for less than a 24…

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Post by 0xsnowcrash »

dfabulich wrote: post #149

Amazon lists the price of mac1 instances (running on rack-mounted Intel Mac Minis) at $1.083 per hour, $9,487 per year. You have to pay for 24 hours up front, after which they bill by the second. https://aws.amazon.com/ec2/dedicated-hosts/pricing/ They don't yet display any reservation pricing for mac1 instances, but they do offer a "savings plan." https://aws.amazon.com/savingsplans/pricing/ If you pay for three yea…

Where does Amazon document that 24 hour minimum? I've just encountered this problem but been unable to find anything on that. It makes the On Demand cloud concept completely useless.

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Post by WhyNotHugo »

inopinatus wrote: post #488
dfabulich wrote: post #431

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> Since my duty cycle for a Mac Mini is rather less than 20%, the economics even of on-demand instances immediately make sense MacStadium's prices are "rather less than 20%" of AWS's prices. To make sense, AWS would have to be comparable to MacStadium's pricing. And don't forget the 24-hour minimum. If your duty cycle for a Mac Mini is only 20% per day every weekday, well, you can't rent a Mac Mini for less than a 24…

This is what I mean by "hobbyist mindset": driving straight past the huge neon sign flashing TCO , assuming that some idiot (that's me) has failed arithmetic 101 (totally possible, my undergraduate mathematics ruined me for sums , isn't everything an infinite series?), and blithely disregarding the cost and time I'll need to obtain authorisation to establish a new commercial relationship, authorisation from legal and…

AWS is available on all continents except Antarctica.

If you’re operating there, then your providers in all aspects will be more than limited.

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Post by WhyNotHugo »

I bought a Mac mini for iOS development and gee am I regretting it.

Especially this these devices cannot be booted unattended - if it ever powers off, I need to: take it out of the closet, plug it in my desktop, turn off file encryption, put it back in the closet, boot it, VNC in, and finally turn on file encryption again

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Post by [deleted] »

WhyNotHugo wrote: post #506
inopinatus wrote: post #488

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This is what I mean by "hobbyist mindset": driving straight past the huge neon sign flashing TCO , assuming that some idiot (that's me) has failed arithmetic 101 (totally possible, my undergraduate mathematics ruined me for sums , isn't everything an infinite series?), and blithely disregarding the cost and time I'll need to obtain authorisation to establish a new commercial relationship, authorisation from legal and…

AWS is available on all continents except Antarctica. If you’re operating there, then your providers in all aspects will be more than limited.

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Post by inopinatus »

WhyNotHugo wrote: post #506
inopinatus wrote: post #488

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This is what I mean by "hobbyist mindset": driving straight past the huge neon sign flashing TCO , assuming that some idiot (that's me) has failed arithmetic 101 (totally possible, my undergraduate mathematics ruined me for sums , isn't everything an infinite series?), and blithely disregarding the cost and time I'll need to obtain authorisation to establish a new commercial relationship, authorisation from legal and…

AWS is available on all continents except Antarctica. If you’re operating there, then your providers in all aspects will be more than limited.

That's rather the point. MacStadium is only on two continents.

Re: Amazon EC2 Mac Instances

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Post by ben-schaaf »

dheera wrote: post #441
zelly wrote: post #162

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You will get your Apple Developer account terminated if they ever find out. Live by the walled garden die by the walled garden

If you're making an awesome app that many Mac users use and depend on, they would be stupid to terminate your dev account.

Epic Games would beg to differ...
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