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Re: macOS unable to open any non-Apple application

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Post by peterkelly »

elmo2you wrote: post #202

Sincerely and without any intention to troll or be sarcastic: I'm puzzled that people are willing buy a computer/OS where (apparently) software can/will fail to launch if some central company server goes down. Maybe I'm just getting this wrong, because I can honestly not quite wrap my head around this. This is such a big no-go, from a systems design point of view. Even beyond unintentional glitches at Apple, just ima…

I don't like this behaviour at all, and find it frustrating at times (e.g. apps slow to launch when my internet connection drops out temporarily).

Having said that, it's not enough to get me to switch platforms. I'm able to work around the problem (using Little Snitch, see other replies), and there are a ton of factors that go into my decision of which hardware/OS to use, all of them involving tradeoffs. The only viable alternatives, Windows and Linux, have their downsides too. Some people prefer those over macs and that's fine; it's a choice people make based on their particular situation.

Re: macOS unable to open any non-Apple application

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Post by mekster »

GordonS wrote: post #240
auslegung wrote: post #164

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> macOS is my favorite OS, but the shit I put up with... Idk, the several Linux distros I’ve used recently, and Windows, have a much longer list of “shit _I_ put up with”

Can you really think of a single thing worse than this?

- Eternal maze of control panel that's now split into two.

- Lack of little useful apps in the $10 range. Windows seems either freeware or costly bloatware.

macOS' problem is fixable but OS being worse isn't something you can wait to get fixed quickly.

Re: macOS unable to open any non-Apple application

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Post by HeadsUpHigh »

Yetanfou wrote: post #413
auslegung wrote: post #164

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> macOS is my favorite OS, but the shit I put up with... Idk, the several Linux distros I’ve used recently, and Windows, have a much longer list of “shit _I_ put up with”

Well, you're using the wrong distributions then. Use something stodgy but solid like stable Debian or a recent but not bleeding edge version of Mint and you should not have all too many things on your shit list. It won't be empty - printing will still trip you up every now and then, just like it does everywhere else to give an example - but it will mostly ' just work' unless you're trying to install it on truly exoti…

Debian has abysmal hardware support( well gpus mostly). They need to do something about their kernels, my RX5700XT is miles ahead with the current kernel compared to whatever debian 10 ships.

Re: macOS unable to open any non-Apple application

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Post by tungah »

pgt wrote: post #390

A compelling way to enact change at large corporates is to vocally communicate when and why you are forced back into a buying position as a customer. Apple VPs who are listening, especially Craig Federighi - here is an early warning for you. The HN crowd may seem fringe, but they are living in the future. I de-Googled my entire life over similar transgressions by Google and several of my friends are gradually going t…

Look up System76

Re: macOS unable to open any non-Apple application

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Post by root_axis »

hk__2 wrote: post #291
pengaru wrote: post #31

Champions of privacy, phoning home a hash of every executable your computer runs!

> Champions of privacy, phoning home a hash of every executable your computer runs! What’s the matter with privacy? That’s a basic signature check, and you can do so while preserving privacy by using salted hashes or a similar solution.

A centralized repository of all your executable hashes is a high precision fingerprint.

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Post by plorkyeran »

dylan604 wrote: post #409
submeta wrote: post #2

Unbelievable. When I read the tweet (tried to post here as well), I suddenly realized why my Mac was unresponsive an hour ago. Here is another tweet that describes the problem in more detail: https://mobile.twitter.com/llanga/status/1326989724704268289 > I am currently unable to work because macOS sends hashes of every opened executable to some server of theirs and when `trustd` and `syspolicyd` are unable to do so,…

I keep reading in the tweets how all Macs are unusable. Is this an OS bug that doesn't effect older OSes? I'm on Mojave on my 2017 MBP, and have had zero issues at all. When was `trustd` introduced?

Checking for notarization on each launch was introduced in catalina. Older versions have trustd, but it was only used for the gatekeeper checks added in 10.8.

Re: macOS unable to open any non-Apple application

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Post by yakz »

pgt wrote: post #390

A compelling way to enact change at large corporates is to vocally communicate when and why you are forced back into a buying position as a customer. Apple VPs who are listening, especially Craig Federighi - here is an early warning for you. The HN crowd may seem fringe, but they are living in the future. I de-Googled my entire life over similar transgressions by Google and several of my friends are gradually going t…

I agree--I also de-googled within the last couple years. I also did it because I need my e-mail to always work, it's just unacceptable that Google could take it away with no reasonable recourse.

I was also hit by this outage today, at work, on my work laptop, while I was working. Apple literally cost me time and my employer money today, because their lack of foresight or inadequate provisioning of servers or whatever the fuck it was, fucked up my laptop. No good reason. They just fucked up, and it cost something.

Re: macOS unable to open any non-Apple application

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Post by mekster »

barumi wrote: post #441
redisman wrote: post #193

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> macOS is my favorite OS, but Ain't that the truth with every OS. I use Windows for gaming, PopOS for work on my desktop and MacOS for work on my laptop. The amount of weird issues is about constant.

> The amount of weird issues is about constant. But linux is free both as in free beer and in free speech, windows required you to pay the Microsoft tax to use, and lastly macOS required you to pay a premium on hardware.

That freedom of Linux comes at a cost that people aren't paid to take care of the level of details other OS have.

Paying $100 for Windows seems like a better solution if you just want a working OS without a hassle.

And what premium do Mac hardwares have? It seems I paid what they deserved as I can't find anything better in the market. Even moreso now that M1 is out, it seems all Windows machines have premium.

Re: macOS unable to open any non-Apple application

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Post by sneak »

elmo2you wrote: post #202

Sincerely and without any intention to troll or be sarcastic: I'm puzzled that people are willing buy a computer/OS where (apparently) software can/will fail to launch if some central company server goes down. Maybe I'm just getting this wrong, because I can honestly not quite wrap my head around this. This is such a big no-go, from a systems design point of view. Even beyond unintentional glitches at Apple, just ima…

Even when it works right, it’s transmitting the apps that you use, as well as your timestamped coarse geolocation (from client IP) to Apple, which logs all of it. It’s good for city-level location.

They know what times you're at home, and what apps you're using there. They know what times you're at work. They know what times you're tethered. They know when you travel, and to which cities. They know when you're on a friend's Wi-Fi, and they know which apps you open from that connection.

Apple is a partner in the US military’s PRISM spying program, so this log is available to US military intelligence at any time without a warrant.

Thanks to API changes in Big Sur, it’s impossible to use Little Snitch to block these system level connections, and they will also bypass any configured VPN. To control this, you’ll need to use external network hardware, like a travel router that you can operate a vpn/firewall on.

Big Sur is the only OS that will run on the new Apple Silicon macs, so it’ll be impossible to use the new machines without leaking your track log and app usage history in a way that is available to the FBI/CIA/et al whenever they want it.

Note also that Apple recently backdoored iMessage’s end-to-end encryption by defaulting the non e2e-encrypted iCloud Backup to on for all users: it backs up (to Apple) your device’s complete plaintext iMessage history, as well as your device’s iMessage keys, using Apple keys, each night when you plug it in. You should immediately stop using iMessage as a result of this, because even if you have disabled iCloud or iCloud Backup, your conversation partners likely have it enabled. iMessage is no longer meaningfully encrypted.

Apple’s marketing about privacy is lip service, not real.

Re: macOS unable to open any non-Apple application

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Post by dang »

All: there are multiple pages of comments; if you're curious to read them, click More at the bottom of the page, or like this:

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25074959&p=2

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25074959&p=3

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25074959&p=4

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