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Zoom is not a U.S. company but an infiltration by China. The entire company should be broken up and all ties with China cut. Its founder and CEO should also be investigated for illegal ties with China.
We ban accounts that do nationalistic flamewar on HN, so please stop doing that. No, I'm not a communist agent. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
If you post political content you're gonna get political discussions.
It's crazy, no encryption for non-paid Videoconferencing, but buying Keybase?
Leaves a really bad taste in my mouth, and now that...
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Not OP, I love the company's leadership and the product (not the privacy issue part). It's awesome to see Eric leaving Webex and building a product that seems and sells superior to Webex. It's not that easy to beat yourself at your own game and he's proved. That is one thing I like about Zoom
> not the privacy issue part But that's an integral part of the product. There is a lot of reason for suspicion floating around the company and the product itself, and the long string of security screwups and misdirection confirms every bit of that. What's the point of having even good functionality if it comes attached to such concerns? Most products have a good side but choosing one is always about picking what's t…
Subtle yet severe privacy invasions do not matter to the glaring majority of people because they cannot associate it with direct consequences.
If I have been using Zoom and the Chinese government now has 200 hours of my facial and speech data, at first it doesn't impact me. I don't see the impact, I don't feel it aside from some people yelling on HN.
The consequences are either subtle and easily dismissed (e.g. ad tech/marketing when Instagram secretly listens to the phone mic and suddenly you see products that were part of the conversation) or severe and too far out to relate it to a Zoom call 23 months ago (e.g. border control when entering China for tourism).
If you're not an activist then chances are you do not care about online privacy.
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>The government of Taiwan banned official use of Zoom due to security concerns, as have New York State schools, the U.S. Senate, and the German ministry of foreign affairs. This is good enough reason to not use it. Also I stopped using zoom and trying to avoiding it as much as possible after the very first vulnerability scandal[0] came about [0] https://medium.com/bugbountywriteup/zoom-zero-day-4-million-...
Iirc google also banned the installation of the zoom client on work devices.
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Two comments recommending Jitsi. Suspicious.
If you find a better one that is not absolutely arcane and frustrating to use, let me know. Until then, Jitsi is "good enough", even if it's still pretty rough in certain parts.
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> find another solution Have you tried Jitsi?
Jitsi is great! If they can figure out a good webinar solution it could be an absolute killer. As it stands, it's (in my opinion) really just useful for small scale interactive meetings at this point, not 100+ participant events. It's really great as a face-to-face solution though, where Zoom and many others are actually kind of overkill.
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> find another solution Have you tried Jitsi?
I've wanted to like Jitsi, but the quality difference with Zoom is noticeable. Same with Google Meet and anything I've seen that uses WebRTC. They remind me of RealPlayer back in the early 2000s in terms of blockyness. I would love to know about any Zoom competitors, free or paid, with comparable quality.
BigBlueButton is also interesting, but it's more like a Schooling-tool...but also without a client (aka just need a browser)
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I've wanted to like Jitsi, but the quality difference with Zoom is noticeable. Same with Google Meet and anything I've seen that uses WebRTC. They remind me of RealPlayer back in the early 2000s in terms of blockyness. I would love to know about any Zoom competitors, free or paid, with comparable quality.
Jitsi Meet works fine as long as you do not use Firefox. W.r.t. the general meme about WebRTC, this is old (2018) and explicitly does not claim to be anything other than suggestive: https://jitsi.org/blog/a-simple-congestion-test-for-zoom/
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China stealing IP was a concerning issue in the past 2 decades and it's still an ongoing issue. Yet now we have companies willingly handing over data to a CCP-controlled entity. I'm not sure whether to cry or to laugh.
> China stealing IP Is that relevant to Zoom? In this situation Zoom is competing an open market, and I find it interesting to see multiple world-class apps be innovated in China that compete worldwide. I also find the common over-reaction to being beaten in a “fair“ competition leads to some odd rationalisations from many in the US. As a software developer in New Zealand, I find the IP laws relating to software with…
People here simply do not care about the threat that the CCP poses to Western companies. The people here simply have no concept of geopolitical issues. It's incredibly depressing and dangerous. Even now I'm being downvoted again everywhere for pointing this out, because I don't know, they think I'm racist? Overblowing the issue? As if none of them have ever read anything about China or Chinese ambition (re: the CCP) or the CCP's behaviour in the past 20 years.
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are you using it on the browser, or are you using the jitsi desktop version (which seems to be distinct and not cross-compatible)? Are there settings you adjusted? Are you just doing one-on-one meetings (that works fine for me too) or group calls of 3+ (which is what I need to do everyday where it immediately becomes unusable)? I'm also using a linux distro based off ubuntu/debian.
> are you using it on the browser, or are you using the jitsi desktop version I am using Jitsi in//on the browser [for me, Firefox]. I don't know if I have a preference as I have only "just started using" the past few months via being given a link I click on whilst I am on my laptop... so unfortunately I cannot speak about Jitsi via Desktop Version at this time. > Are there settings you adjusted? Besides simple sound…