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Post by fulldecent2 »

partiallypro wrote: post #333

Twitter is well within the rights to do this, but I have seen tweets from blue check marks essentially calling for violence and Twitter didn't remove them. So, does that mean Twitter actually -supports- those view points now? If Twitter is going to police people, it needs to be across the board. Otherwise it's just a weird censorship that is targeting one person and can easily be seen as political. Everyone is applau…

China is the leader here, let's briefly study how they do social media -- this will show where US is going.

They review everything after an account gets so many likes. The platform is responsible. One day I was doing something dangerous on a live stream -- immediately banned for 48 hours and got a human message. Posts with factual errors about current events -- immediately removed, on pain of platform liability. Human reply. No AI.

The platform is liable for what is published on the platform in the same way a newspaper is liable for what is published in the newspaper.

The liability is changing and so yes Twitter is going to police people.

I welcome this change in liability.

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Post by luckydata »

NateEag wrote: post #499
luckydata wrote: post #375

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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I'm a United States citizen. I'm not a pure conservative, but I expect I hold several views you'd find repugnant and label as "conservative". For instance, I am strongly pro-life. Another one: I believe deeply in the existence of God (and other supernatural beings). I am, therefore, a bad-faith actor, if I'm following right?

no, you're not following, but I suspect you're doing it on purpose and that was my point.

edit: let me add a proof point from something that matters to you. https://www.usatoday.com/story/entertainment/tv/2020/05/21/a...

Conservatives in this country believe in "small government", "individual freedoms" and "separation between church and state" until a large slice of their electorate turns out to be religious fundamentalists, then they start mandating transvaginal ultrasounds in order to get an abortion etc...

Does that sound like intellectual honesty or good faith?

Re: Twitter hides Donald Trump tweet for “glorifying violence”

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Post by admiral33 »

0x6e756c6c wrote: post #428
creaghpatr wrote: post #292

The White House twitter account has issued a response: https://twitter.com/WhiteHouse/status/1266367168603721728?s=... This* Tweet violated the Twitter Rules about glorifying violence. However, @Twitter has determined that it will allow terrorists, dictators, and foreign propagandists to abuse its platform. *Referring to an attached picture of a Khamenei tweet about Palestine

I think Twitter user @HoarseWisperer summed it up quite well: I’m not sure “They aren’t letting us act like *other* warlords.” is as strong an argument as you think.

Silencing of one side allows for faster indoctrination to the opposite.

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Post by moosey »

bcrosby95 wrote: post #369
dfxm12 wrote: post #362

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Wait, Trump, the guy who had a platform plank complaining about his predecessors' use of executive orders as "power grabs" [0], actually issued an executive order about Twitter's TOS ? 0 - https://www.latimes.com/world-nation/story/2019-10-19/trump-...

It's nothing new. Politics is a team based sport. My brother calls Obama "King Obama" but is still a huge fan of Trump. I've discussed some of this stuff with him: in his eyes, Obama did stuff he shouldn't have, so Trump can do stuff he shouldn't.

> Politics is a team based sport.

That's optional though. The modern media, in the interest of money, has done a good job of causing the population of the US to miscategorize themselves into D/R. If it instead focused on human welfare, then we wouldn't be in this mess.

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Post by dehrmann »

_ZeD_ wrote: post #304
Animats wrote: post #79

Twitter policy: "We start from a position of assuming that people do not intend to violate our Rules. Unless a violation is so egregious that we must immediately suspend an account, we first try to educate people about our Rules and give them a chance to correct their behavior. We show the violator the offending Tweet(s), explain which Rule was broken, and require them to remove the content before they can Tweet agai…

following the wikipedia article I found https://www.avclub.com/twitter-releases-statement-confirming... "Twitter releases statement confirming it'll never ban Donald Trump"

Since Twitter and Trump seem intent on getting into a pissing match (Trump a bit more so), what's the worst each side could do?

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Post by Nasrudith »

chooseaname wrote: post #408
peacelilly wrote: post #391

It's long past time to regulate social media like a phone company, natural monopoly, or common carrier. The DOJ needs to break them up for violating the public trust, then limit their ability to refuse service to law abiding citizens moving into the future. Government has every right to force companies to be neutral platforms through regulation. It's time to revoke/enforce section 230, especially the "good faith" cla…

> The DOJ needs to break them up for violating the public trust... Twitter, Facebook, et al are entertainment . There's not trust to violate.

Even if they were an informational service having the DOJ "break them up" would be way more illegal than anything they could directly publish.

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Post by beowulfey »

koheripbal wrote: post #370
kingnight wrote: post #344

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The valley being an echo chamber doesn’t necessarily mean those implementing this have their heads in the sand. It can’t be all perfectly achieved, but to do nothing, as they were before, could be now determined to be a worse case than providing these annotations to flagrant misuse by the highest impact profile that they can’t do away with entirely.

The legal issue is that their legal protection from defamation and libel under section 230 requires them to moderate "in good faith". If they only selective moderate accounts, then that protection may not survive in court. ...but I think a greater concern we can all agree on, is that for the type of communications that Twitter does - Twitter is effectively a monopoly. The people being censored here can't even themsel…

This is absurd. Twitter is a corporation and can choose to present their product as they see fit. And nothing about them is essential. Twitter could go bankrupt and the world would not hurt at all. There are absolutely plenty of ways to disseminate information.

Twitter only has about 150 million daily active users. That's 1/3 of the population of the USA. There is no way in hell Twitter could ever be considered a monopoly when less than 2% of the world's population even uses their platform actively.

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Post by SketchySeaBeast »

cameronbrown wrote: post #479
koheripbal wrote: post #440

It begs the question... who's in charge here? The government or the corporations?

Neither. The population are, or at least should be.

The population should be in charge of twitter? Doesn't that seem a little funny?

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Post by jaredmosley »

koheripbal wrote: post #440

It begs the question... who's in charge here? The government or the corporations?

Well, it is a private company's site, so I would assume the corporation. If I walked into a Starbucks and started being rude to patrons, I can easily be removed on a whim. Just because it is a place that encourages social interactions does not mean that they have to allow interactions they do not like. I do not see the difference here.

Twitter is used for formal announcements because Trump himself has decided that it is a good place to make them, not because Twitter has placed themselves in that position. Granted, they make like being in that position and it probably benefits them greatly due to the increased ad revenue and engagement, but they can also make the decision that his presence is not worth the vitriol it generates. He can easily choose another avenue (Facebook, Reddit, News media, etc) to make announcements if it is no longer the best choice for him.

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Post by theaino »

rhegart wrote: post #424
partiallypro wrote: post #333

Twitter is well within the rights to do this, but I have seen tweets from blue check marks essentially calling for violence and Twitter didn't remove them. So, does that mean Twitter actually -supports- those view points now? If Twitter is going to police people, it needs to be across the board. Otherwise it's just a weird censorship that is targeting one person and can easily be seen as political. Everyone is applau…

I’ve seen hundreds of extreme violence towards cops including death and worse. I’ve reported many and nothing happens. Some have many likes and retweets including by blue check marks. The justification of violence and racism towards a certain race and to cops is Alex Jones conspiracy level stupid. The bias is insane to any regular person

It's going to be interesting when you come to the end and are reviewing your life, realizing that you decided to spend what little time you have on this planet being the volunteer gestapo misguidedly trying to defend militarized police from the words of civilians who are upset that they are killing unarmed citizens.
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