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Post by Avamander »

saagarjha wrote: post #488
maksimum wrote: post #478

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> We've lost this battle. I think you could look at the battle/war from a different perspectives, and come up with different conclusions. In the mainstream (whatever that is?) it appears that convenience wins. And hardware/software vendors seem to make the assumption that customers won't complain if their data is harvested. I think that's where you're coming from? On the (privacy) enthusiast things, the horizon looks…

> We have more choice in phones: we can still use "dumbphones", or use open source operating systems, or choose manufacturers with better privacy track records. There are zero options on the market right now that come close to a modern smartphone.

PinePhone? Librem? Even freed Android phones are actually very close.

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Post by deepsand »

There was a good conversation about this on HN a few months ago [1].

Has anyone successfully blocked unnecessary outbound traffic from their smart TV using a firewall such as pfsense? Whilst maintaining usability. A separate VLAN for IoT devices seems like a good first step.

[1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=21002745

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Post by djsumdog »

There are a number of gaming TVs coming out that are essentially big monitors with high refresh rates. They're expensive, but they don't have Ethernet ports, or built in apps or any of that bullshit.

I've never connected a TV to Ethernet/Wifi and I don't understand people who have those fucking Amazon/Google/Apple spy devices (aka digital assistants) in their homes. I disable all that shit on my phone too.

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Post by jdnenej »

netsharc wrote: post #258
thih9 wrote: post #221

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> have a how to to completely remove radio capabilities. We have no guarantee these devices would continue to work after such operation.

Like Zune's DRM (luckily before Zune died they let purchasers download MP3s). I wonder what funny failure scenarios we'll see in the future. On the topic of Samsung, their "smart" Fridge had issues when Google changed its API: https://support.google.com/calendar/forum/AAAAd3GaXpEWgy9gKk... , but at least that's some stupid feature and not a fridge's main feature...

Games have been becoming unplayable due to DRM servers shutting down. IoT devices are becoming bricks when they go out of support.

DRM and internet dependency are the ultimate tools in capitalisms planned obsolescence toolbox. You no longer have to wait for a product to fail, you can simply remotely destroy it so the customer buys a new one.

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Post by developerdylan »

djsumdog wrote: post #503

There are a number of gaming TVs coming out that are essentially big monitors with high refresh rates. They're expensive, but they don't have Ethernet ports, or built in apps or any of that bullshit. I've never connected a TV to Ethernet/Wifi and I don't understand people who have those fucking Amazon/Google/Apple spy devices (aka digital assistants) in their homes. I disable all that shit on my phone too.

Any good recommendations?

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Post by TeMPOraL »

amelius wrote: post #468
TeMPOraL wrote: post #354

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100% this. I would be another loyal customer buying everything from such a company. I place high value on not fucking over fellow human beings, and I'd happily put the money where my mouth is, but the market seems essentially devoid of ethical companies these days. I'm sure there is many more people like us - perhaps enough to sustain a company. (FWIW, if you extend this past issues of ads and privacy, and into makin…

> Being ethical means no planned obsolescence, or otherwise churning out new variants of the same thing to keep sales up. If you buy "TV as a service" instead of as a product, the effect is basically that the company providing the service will do the opposite of planning for obsolescence. Perhaps this is the kind of company you are looking for?

That's a fair point, and arguably a good side of products-as-serivces. I'm still generally against them, though, for two reasons.

One: in practice, -as-a-Service businesses tend to quickly devolve their business models to include user-hostile, unethical aspects. Requiring Internet access, telemetry, ads, remote bricking, etc.

Two - and this is more of a gut feeling than a properly thought-through objection: I don't like the risk curve. Services require a steady cash flow. Have a financial hick-up, and you have to start sacrificing some of your services. Whereas with ownership, you can keep using the goods you own regardless of how much money you have - and with proper care and maintenance, you can get a lot of mileage out of the things you buy. Poorer people tend to be good at it by necessity. The same poorer people would end up trapped if they depended on everything as services.

I also like the fact that, if for some reason you prefer monthly installments to lump-sum purchase, you can turn almost any product into service by getting a bank involved. It has a nice, Unixy feel to it.

But, as I said, I haven't really made up my mind about this just yet.

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Post by thelittleone »

If some dystopian scifi author described in a book 30 years ago what is actually happening today regarding the points of consumer data collection they’d likely be laughed at.

The programmatic elimination of any expectation of consumer privacy.

Thank fluky we have heroes doing open source projects. Yet open source hardware alternatives remain quite limited or non existent.

Can anyone suggest meaningful ways to contribute?

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Post by skylanh »

hvindin wrote: post #372
kowbell wrote: post #339

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I had an S5 too, and actually still have it in case I ever need a backup (e.g. last week when _my_ Pixel started getting caught in an infinite boot loop!) Though I hadn't noticed the S5 being destroyed by software updates - the only reason I stopped using it is because they stopped updating it and it was locked from custom ROMs, which was a sad conclusion because it had still decent hardware. Could you elaborate on t…

My personal S5 experience leads me to believe that there was some trickery afoot from Samsung's end. When I realised that my S5 was starting to get a little bit dodgy (having owned it from April 2011 until around December 2018) I went and bought 8 of them. Surprisingly, they were still available for purchase on the Samsung website over 7 years after they were originally released, although they quickly ran out of stoc…

There are recent updates from LineageOS for the S5 (multiple variants).

https://download.lineageos.org/

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Post by ssss11 »

To those in this thread denouncing these dystopian times my question to you is, how do we as technologists create a meaningful and successful career changing this?

I’ve been against this for a very long time and can’t see any easy way to contribute (and also provide $ for my family) short of being in government policy making or law making which would require substantial career changes and further education and then some luck.

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Post by dyukqu »

jonplackett wrote: post #440
buddylw wrote: post #165

I'm getting ready to go full Battlestar Galactica in all of my appliances. It's now difficult to find high end washers and ovens without these features. At least right now we can choose not to connect the devices, but what happens if iot LTE connections get cheap enough that the choice is removed altogether, like with Tesla and other high end modern cars? I don't think I'm just being a Luddite. This really seems like…

> full Battlestar Galactica This is a truly marvellous turn of phrase.

I've watched the show (only once, for now) and I love it but didn't understand the reference :|
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