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Apple of 2019 is the Linux of 2000

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Re: Apple of 2019 is the Linux of 2000

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Post by fortran77 »

Kaos-Industries wrote: post #424
fortran77 wrote: post #401

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Windows 10 on the "happy path" (the right hardware) works very well. My desktop machine is a box by ThinkMate (dual Xeon, 256 GB Ram, Dual 2080 video cards, dual 5K monitors). It "just works" -- including all the power management functions sleep, hibernate, monitor sleep, wake on ethernet, fan control, etc. Super quiet unless all the GPUs are running full blast. My laptop is a Surface Book. Again, it "just works". Pl…

Props for escaping the Apple cult for Windows, but I'm sorry, how much RAM? Why does anyone need that much RAM? And more importantly, how much did it cost?

The whole box was about 8K (w/o the monitors). Go to ThinkMate.com and price it for ECC ram. Prices change often. It's less than you think!

We do signal processing software in C++ and GPGPU so we like a lot of ram to hold samples. I probably only needed half of it.

I think people who want to compile Rust also need hundreds of GB or RAM....

Re: Apple of 2019 is the Linux of 2000

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Post by sigjuice »

posedge wrote: post #311
posedge wrote: post #279

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A couple of thoughts: * That's exactly the point. I don't want to give up on my 4k resolution, I specifically bought a laptop with high resolution. * I'm running Ubuntu on my Dell XPS 15. I solved the problem by scaling the external display (--scale 2x2 in xrandr), which also solves the problem but allows me to keep the 4k resolution on the built-in display. The only issue is, that select programs with nonstandard UI…

BTW, this is the command I'm using: sudo xrandr --output DP-3 --scale 2x2 --mode 1920x1080 --fb 7680x2160 --pos 3840x0 --output eDP-1 --mode 3840x2160 --pos 0x0 DP-3 being my external full-HD display, placed to the right.

What errors do you get if you try without sudo? I have a script that runs xrandr commands, but doesn't need sudo.

Re: Apple of 2019 is the Linux of 2000

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Post by BowBun »

BeefySwain wrote: post #412
judofyr wrote: post #200

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{any technology} {any year}: writing a post summarizing X products' issues will compel a point by point response in which a fanboy will either tell you "works for me" or "you're holding it wrong".

{any tribe} {any year}: a rebuttal of a point will result in accusations of bias

{ humans disagreeing }

Re: Apple of 2019 is the Linux of 2000

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Post by taurath »

snagglegaggle wrote: post #369
taurath wrote: post #338

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I tend to feel like there’s already enough roadblocks in the way to get things done. I used to tinker around with my OSs but now I want them out of the way to a large extent.

Stating it that way makes it seem like you're opposed to learning something new. That's fine, but a lot of people including GP just looked once and never did anything else.

I’m not. However, I can’t keep going back to square one. I need problems I’ve solved to remain solved, not have to jump into X configs in Vim because my monitor layout won’t stay between sessions (random example from many years ago). I have 5 hours of work to do today, I’d like to not spend 2 of them in man files “learning” about an abstraction I can’t afford to be digging into right now.

Re: Apple of 2019 is the Linux of 2000

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Post by notjustanymike »

skrebbel wrote: post #126
threeseed wrote: post #20

1. Never once seen an issue with USB-C to HDMI or VGA connections. It doesn't even make any sense since MacBook Pro users with external, third party monitors are an extremely common combination. 2. I just downloaded Caret (Markdown editor) from their website and used Homebrew to install a CLI tool. Nothing has changed between the current OSX and previous ones. 3. If you have a tech support issue go into the Apple Sto…

> 5. If you resort to calling groups of people "condescending elitist hipster latte drinkers" then pretty sure you've lost the argument. As a condescending elitist hipster latte drinker on an ultralight convertible Lenovo Yoga + Windows 10, I feel excluded. The days that condescending elitist hipster latte drinkers only used Mac have long passed.

Typical of an elitist latte drinker to overlook cappuccino aficionados. Enjoy your grotesque milk over-usage, heathen!

Re: Apple of 2019 is the Linux of 2000

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Post by tomxor »

taurath wrote: post #338
esotericn wrote: post #291

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Gnome (3) is just a bit crap. It's the Windows DE of the GNU/Linux world. It's explicitly designed to be boring and not very customizable so that delicate users don't get scared. I use i3 and basically everything is configured via text files. Keyboard shortcuts are trivial etc. You don't need Karabiner to "rebind" because you can directly bind. You don't need to go scary tiling WM, Xfce probably works well, it's been…

I tend to feel like there’s already enough roadblocks in the way to get things done. I used to tinker around with my OSs but now I want them out of the way to a large extent.

> I used to tinker around with my OSs but now I want them out of the way to a large extent.

This might seem counter intuitive, but configuring your own desktop kinda achieves "out of the way" on Linux... it gives you something persistent and reliable, it's a worthwhile investment. Like the parent, I use i3wm, it might seem a bit too spartan at first, but that's part of the beauty... less to configure, less gui in the way, less opinions, config a single text file, defaults are sane! I have hardly changed anything beyond my initial dot file setup about 5 years ago, yet have taken them through many desktop installs without any messing around.

Also configuring your desktop is not the same as Linux in 2000, you don't need to sift through thousands of lines of x11 config. Just pick the bits of desktop you like and stick it in a shell script, copy some config files here and there that you deem worthwhile configuring (smaller DEs or WM make this a far more minimal tasks than the big all signing all dancing KDEs and Gnomes).

... it's a small investment in time to pay for sanity and persistent experience over many years, the macOS days I could not bear the random changes pushed on users which became more and more heavy handed towards later versions.

TL:DR I like my custom configured linux desktop... because of how it prevents me from having to continually configure my desktop.

Re: Apple of 2019 is the Linux of 2000

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Post by rurp »

llimllib wrote: post #240
nkoren wrote: post #190

Meh. I bailed out of the Mac ecosystem last year, as my mid-2012 retina Macbook was finally getting too creaky, and the latest Mac hardware was a regression in many respects, while simultaneously utterly unaffordable. I'm now dual-booting Ubuntu/Windows 10 on a Dell XPS 15". What this experience has taught me is that computing in 2019 basically sucks. The problems with 2000-era Linux, as described in the article, are…

I was linux-only from 2002 to about 2009, on laptops, when I switched to Mac. I just set up a linux desktop for kicks the last couple of weeks, and it doesn't seem to me to be any better than it was a decade ago. * No way to adjust mouse scroll speed; official answer seems to be "don't want that". (Or install imwheel and change your mouse scroll to be equal to hitting the down button (!) which breaks other stuff) * T…

> modifying keyboard shortcuts is extremely difficult; I really wish linux had a karabiner equivalent

This had been a headache for me as well, but I've had great luck with AutoKey. Obviously it would be better if there was a native solution, but at least this works IME.

Re: Apple of 2019 is the Linux of 2000

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Post by megous »

woah wrote: post #376
esotericn wrote: post #291

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Gnome (3) is just a bit crap. It's the Windows DE of the GNU/Linux world. It's explicitly designed to be boring and not very customizable so that delicate users don't get scared. I use i3 and basically everything is configured via text files. Keyboard shortcuts are trivial etc. You don't need Karabiner to "rebind" because you can directly bind. You don't need to go scary tiling WM, Xfce probably works well, it's been…

Most people have far better things to do than getting into a tinkering rabbit hole to enable basic desktop functionality.

It's not really a rabbit hole. It has a clearly defined end.

I transitioned from GNOME to i3wm quite a while ago (after like 15 GNOME upgrade cycles, where I always had to figure out what changed, and fix what broke), and it was basically a day or two figuring out what I want and inventing/learning the shortcuts (not fulltime days, mind you). And maybe 2-3 instances of "this feels stupid, how can I improve it".

Certainly orders of magnitude less time than I ever spend making Windows do what I want on every damn re-install.

Now that I had my configs, I just copied them to all my 4 or so desktop/laptop machines, and it's such a timesaver. i3wm being ultra stable, there's no ongoing maintenance.

Re: Apple of 2019 is the Linux of 2000

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Post by hanselot »

Crinus wrote: post #472
esotericn wrote: post #291

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Gnome (3) is just a bit crap. It's the Windows DE of the GNU/Linux world. It's explicitly designed to be boring and not very customizable so that delicate users don't get scared. I use i3 and basically everything is configured via text files. Keyboard shortcuts are trivial etc. You don't need Karabiner to "rebind" because you can directly bind. You don't need to go scary tiling WM, Xfce probably works well, it's been…

> Gnome (3) is just a bit crap. It's the Windows DE of the GNU/Linux world. Windows is way WAY more customizable than Gnome 3. As an example all the issues the GP mentions are things Windows support out of the box (among many other stuff). Gnome 3 is the result of arrogant programmers pretending to be "UX designers" and act as if they were Steve Jobs without having an ounce of his skills/taste while ignoring that eve…

Could you tell me the process for switching the Windows default WM to something else? Oh, there isn't one?

Okay, how about switching the default file system?

No? Okay, how about switching kernels?

No? Come on, they must do something well. What about automating things, certainly Windows would be better at that? Serving adverts? Oh, snap, I guess Windows does do something better.

Re: Apple of 2019 is the Linux of 2000

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Post by spookthesunset »

And in typical fashion, this person lists the exact problem I'm having with my mac (disk space not reclaimed after deleting files) and says "fixed it" without ever saying what steps they did to actually fix the problem. Now they'll get indexed by Google and show up on top so the next person with this problem will find the post, but not find any helpful solution.
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