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Re: Google Tried to Patent My Work After a Job Interview

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Is that really an argument in favor of it being a science? Isn't behavioral psych going through a "replication crisis"?

No. It’s saying that GP has completely miscategorised notwithstanding your clumsy strawman.

What "strawman"? You introduced behavioral psych to the discussion. You seem more certain now, however...

Re: Google Tried to Patent My Work After a Job Interview

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post #356

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That's the author's point -- she was working in a field where there was plenty of active work going on, but after meeting with google, the big G tried to patent it.

Well, if the Exploratorium published a book using paper circuits before Google applied for the patent, is this prior art?

Infuriatingky, it’s pretty hard to use non-patent sources as prior art under the US system!

Re: Google Tried to Patent My Work After a Job Interview

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I met/had a similar experience with Google ATAP in 2013 (was Motorala ATAP then; Google recently bought them) though not for a job interview but to discuss working together to build our tech SpeakerBlast into the Moto X. They asked if we ever thought about selling our technology to them before the meeting and at the meeting they baited us for how our tech worked saying we'd like to work with you tell us how it works.…

This is a level of douchiness I cannot fathom. What possesses these people to act in this fashion and how do they sleep at night? How is this not seen as clearly unethical behavior? A clear violation of Wheaton's Law, here. I mean... I could easily take that lollipop from that naïve baby in that baby carriage... but I don't, simply because I'm Not A Dick™. Did all of Silicon Valley get the wrong takeaway from the App…

White collar sociopathy. These guys at the top lack an empathetic intuition.

https://www.ribbonfarm.com/2009/10/07/the-gervais-principle-...

Re: Google Tried to Patent My Work After a Job Interview

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This is a level of douchiness I cannot fathom. What possesses these people to act in this fashion and how do they sleep at night? How is this not seen as clearly unethical behavior? A clear violation of Wheaton's Law, here. I mean... I could easily take that lollipop from that naïve baby in that baby carriage... but I don't, simply because I'm Not A Dick™. Did all of Silicon Valley get the wrong takeaway from the App…

Seeing that Apple didn’t steal anything from Xerox. It was very much a negotiation so what lesson would that be? https://zurb.com/blog/steve-jobs-and-xerox-the-truth-about-i...

Sure, but the popular recollection is not that story, it's "good artists borrow; great artists steal"

Re: Google Tried to Patent My Work After a Job Interview

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post #431

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I'm sorry, don't see the connection you are trying to make. In the context of her story, gender is not relevant; she apparently didn't think so either, since the only way I could tell from the article was her hands shown in the last picture.

Her identity is important, and gender is one part of her identity. She didn't state her name either in the article, does that make it OK to refer to her as "Richard Stallman" until she explicitly demands credit?

Yes of course, if someone mistakenly believed that it was Stallman that wrote the article. Conversely it's also OK for others to point out that said assumption is incorrect.

There's no reason for anyone to get worked up about it.

Re: Google Tried to Patent My Work After a Job Interview

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post #314

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That's why it should just be under neurology.

isn't neurology more to do with the physiological aspect? Neuroscience is a bit more like behavioural psychology.

neuroscience is physiological, but it deals with the study of neurons and neuronal systems rather than the output of behaviors. I always thought neurology was more of a medical field application of neuroscience.

Re: Google Tried to Patent My Work After a Job Interview

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post #314

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isn't neurology more to do with the physiological aspect? Neuroscience is a bit more like behavioural psychology.

Is that really an argument in favor of it being a science? Isn't behavioral psych going through a "replication crisis"?

behavioral psychology is NOT neuroscience behavioral neuroscience is different than behavioral psychology

Re: Google Tried to Patent My Work After a Job Interview

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> I was even invited to share my work directly with Regina Dugan, the director of ATAP at that time! I was excited, thinking perhaps I would be invited for a summer internship. It turned out they found my work so relevant that they offered me a job on the spot. > It was a tough choice: I had just started the first year of my PhD and would’ve had to take a leave from the program to pursue this project. After asking ma…

It’s almost always better to achieve for yourself instead of others. A PhD. is infinitely more valuable than a couple of years working for any company, especially if your subject is interesting enough to on-spot hire you before you finish. And I say that as a manager who’s hired a lot of people before they earned X because their work was interesting. I don’t do it anymore, as a rule, because it crushed a lot of those…

I'm not sure about that - my N=1

I went to a State school and got an economics degree, I started my career as a SQL-lackey for a B.I department in declining midwestern retailer, but I treated my career like graduate school insofar that I worked hard at it.

About 4 years after my first day of professional work, I started as a data scientist at a FANG. My team of 9 had 3 Ph.Ds (all science Ph. Ds). As I understood it, the Ph.Ds do receive higher compensation but it's not that much more (~18% higher base) and if I really kick butt, I can out earn them with bonuses.

But I think my path was much easier and lucrative. I was able to save ~$100k, I had a standard of living above that of a regular graduate student and I had flexibility that they would dream of. I made 4 years worth of contacts of my profession, I

I'm sure some Ph.Ds are worth it as investments, but if you're interested in renumeration, get working.

Re: Google Tried to Patent My Work After a Job Interview

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Tossing this out - lost the comment this was a reply to:

I'm not sure about that - my N=1

I went to a State school and got an economics degree, I started my career as a SQL-lackey for a B.I department in declining midwestern retailer, but I treated my career like graduate school insofar that I worked hard at it.

About 4 years after my first day of professional work, I started as a data scientist at a FANG. My team of 9 had 3 Ph.Ds (all science Ph. Ds). As I understood it, the Ph.Ds do receive higher compensation but it's not that much more (~18% higher base) and if I really kick butt, I can out earn them with bonuses.

But I think my path was much easier and lucrative. I was able to save ~$100k, I had a standard of living above that of a regular graduate student and I had flexibility that they would dream of. I made 4 years worth of contacts of my profession, I

I'm sure some Ph.Ds are worth it as investments, but if you're interested in renumeration, get working.

Re: Google Tried to Patent My Work After a Job Interview

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Hi Everyone! This is Jie, the author of the original post on patentpandas.org. Thanks for sharing your thoughts and experiences on this thread! I thought it might be helpful for you all to know the full story and give some more context:

The original post is actually one of TWO patent-related issues that simultaneously happened to me.

The first one was when my crowdfunding campaign backer successfully patented our LED stickers product (https://patentpandas.org/stories/crowdfunding-backer-patente...) despite us having a successful crowdfund, lots of press, research papers dating back to 2011 and an entire business by then.

And then it was about a month after I found out about the LED stickers patent, I found out that Google ATAP was trying to patent work that I had shared during the job interview (https://patentpandas.org/stories/company-patented-my-idea).

While I can understand why the google story is getting more attention, in many ways it’s actually the other story that’s more problematic, because in that case, the faulty patent application actually passed muster at the USPTO and issued as a patent.

This all happened during my last year of grad school at MIT, in the months before I defended my thesis and graduated. And it absolutely sucked!

But in the end, I was pretty lucky that both situations turned out okay(ish). The most important bit was that I had support from all these law clinics, and my own giant institution (MIT), to help me navigate. But I can already see from this thread that many others out there aren’t so lucky.

The absurdity of these situations, and that they were happening to me at the same time, got me to spend the next couple years learning about patent law at the Berkman Klein Center (https://cyber.harvard.edu). My hope was that I could better understand how the heck all this happened, and to see if I could do something to help other creators out.

That’s why I started Patentpandas.org - to have a place to share these patent stories, to help by showing how others navigated their patent problems, and (for folks like my former self) to show that it’s not so scary to work with lawyers and wade into patent law! That’s also why we’re using panda comics to illustrate patent law concepts. Pandas: definitely not scary :)

My hope is that if more creators out there better understand patent law and are connected with pro bono lawyers when they need help, then patent trolls and others who have more legal resources at their disposal won’t be able to get away with things like this so easily.

BTW, I shared all this during my talk for the Patent Pandas launch last week. In case you’re curious to check it out: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YfCYOWVQehA

Thanks, Jie

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