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Tim Cook makes blistering attack on the “data industrial complex”

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Post by kazinator »

joejerryronnie wrote: post #469
danaris wrote: post #332

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You know that happened twice, maybe three times, right? The iPod and the iPhone were it (and maybe the iPad). It's not something Apple did twice a week like clockwork while Jobs was alive, then just suddenly stopped when he died. This is exactly the kind of rose-colored glasses nneonneo was talking about.

Here are some things I can think of off the top of my head that Jobs had a hand in during his career: - Created the personal computer industry (Apple Inc) - Revolutionized the personal computer industry (Macintosh) - Revolutionized film animation (Pixar) - Shifted the electronic device industry to minimalist industrial design (iPod) - Changed the entire music industry's distribution model (iTunes) - Completely shifte…

When the iMac burst on the scene, clothing irons immediately jumped on its design. And they have not jumped off since.

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Post by nneonneo »

lern_too_spel wrote: post #485
nneonneo wrote: post #476

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Nobody’s stopping you from installing those apps if you want - an offline Maps app, Signal, Firefox with uBlock. It might not be the system default app, but I’m not sure how that’s a fundamental loss of privacy. Sure, you need an Apple ID, but how hard is it to generate a throwaway account for that purpose? Nobody ever said you had to use one that was tied to your actual identity. Heck you can even use different IDs…

> Nobody’s stopping you from installing those apps if you want - an offline Maps app, Signal, Firefox with uBlock. I never said otherwise. Again, you can't install a system-wide adblocker. > It might not be the system default app, but I’m not sure how that’s a fundamental loss of privacy Because if it's harder to use on every use , you won't use it. > Sure, you need an Apple ID, but how hard is it to generate a throw…

Actually, I tried to create a throwaway Google account just the other day to test a Google API without it being tied to my identity.

Guess how hard it was? If you start from scratch (i.e. without an existing Google cookie thing your new account to your old one), you have to put in a valid, non-disposable mobile phone number and get a verification.

On the other hand, I just made an Apple ID with a disposable email address with absolutely no real-word verification required.

> Because if it's harder to use on every use, you won't use it.

I don’t see how a non-default app is really so much harder to use in iOS. I use Google Inbox and Facebook Messenger as my daily drivers (not claiming I’m a privacy focused person, hah), not Apple Mail or iMessage, and I’ve never suffered for it. iOS has surprisingly few places where a “default” actually matters.

> Except if you want to build apps for your own device that you don't want to reinstall weekly. On Android, nobody has to know anything about you, even if you want to develop for your own device, which should not result in loss of privacy on a platform that respects privacy.

This is a fair criticism. Apple developer policies have always been quite annoying - being a developer for the platform myself (own phone apps only, nothing released), it’s definitely not as smooth as Android. Plus with Android I get to do fun kernel hacking stuff which is strictly off-limits with iOS.

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Post by andrei_says_ »

ken wrote: post #425
blihp wrote: post #347

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That won't help even a little bit in this case. That's like trying place the responsibility to reduce the amount of garbage generated on those who drive the garbage trucks. The decision to engage in the bad behavior usually doesn't come from IT staff or engineers, it comes from management. Hold the leaders of these organizations responsible and you'll see the problem fixed real quick.

Why not? The decision first comes from management, but engineers are the ones who implement it. I think things would change pretty quick if engineers responded to such requests with "I can't do that, because my professional association would remove me from their membership, which would revoke my license to write software in this country at all". That's how (AIUI) law, medicine, (real) engineering, etc., work today.

“I can’t prescribe you this drug because it’s more expensive than the generic one ... despite their sponsoring me and my family to their annual conference in the Bahamas.”

“I can’t recommend this additional procedure for you despite it making me $8500 in a day.”

Regulation doesn’t seem to influence for profit medicine much.

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Post by quadcore »

We should celebrate the transformative work of the European institutions tasked with the successful implementation of the GDPR. We also celebrate the new steps taken, not only here in Europe but around the world — in Singapore, Japan, Brazil, New Zealand. In many more nations regulators are asking tough questions — and crafting effective reform.

I disagree, I think technology should solve that pproblem, like Tim Berners-Lee's.

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Post by joejerryronnie »

FireBeyond wrote: post #499
joejerryronnie wrote: post #469

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Here are some things I can think of off the top of my head that Jobs had a hand in during his career: - Created the personal computer industry (Apple Inc) - Revolutionized the personal computer industry (Macintosh) - Revolutionized film animation (Pixar) - Shifted the electronic device industry to minimalist industrial design (iPod) - Changed the entire music industry's distribution model (iTunes) - Completely shifte…

> There are several other things people may consider visionary (candy colored iMac Come on. "We changed the color. Visionary!" > - Revolutionized film animation (Pixar) Pixar was doing lots of work before Jobs was on the scene (after seven years, when Lucasfilm decided it was successful / profitable enough on its own to spin it off) - he was an investor.

Hey man, I know it's kind of ridiculous but bringing whimsy and a bit of fun into hardware design could be seen as somewhat visionary. Before this, the boldest thing hardware manufacturers did was change the beige case to black.

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Post by PhasmaFelis »

inetknght wrote: post #204
PhasmaFelis wrote: post #167

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It's easy to get root on some Android devices. I think all Google phones purchased directly from Google make it a standard option; some others do as well, and still others have easy exploits.

You still void your warranty though

It doesn't void your warranty, although the manufacturers have done a very good job spreading that lie. It is illegal in the US to void a hardware warranty because the user altered the software. If they can prove that your alteration led directly to damage, then they can refuse to cover that specific damage, but that's all.

Source: https://motherboard.vice.com/en_us/article/yp3nax/jailbreaki...

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Post by PhasmaFelis »

vinay427 wrote: post #356
inetknght wrote: post #204

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You still void your warranty though

While I think it's unreasonable that obviously hardware aspects aren't covered by some manufacturers after rooting, is there a straightforward better alternative? I'm honestly wondering, because I wouldn't expect a company to provide support for a device with software they didn't authorize and aren't familiar with. If you want a device that you own, then you need to be responsible for the full cost of ownership, thou…

For the record, rooting doesn't void your warranty. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=18297361

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Post by mr_toad »

zaidf wrote: post #170
orbifold wrote: post #23

It's sad how the introduction of a new class of devices "smartphones" brought along with it a surveillance software platform in the form of Android. Where it is clear that the only incentive for google to develop it is exfiltration of as much personal data as they can. In contrast in the case of Apple you have a customer relationship with the company that sold you the device and they have an incentive to keep you as…

In contrast in the case of Apple you have a customer relationship with the company that sold you the device and they have an incentive to keep you as a customer without having a need to extract as much advertisement revenue as they can. Do you acknowledge this comes at a huge cost? Apple has a fraction of the marketshare as Android in countries like India. Apple's iPhone prices out billions of people. Android-based p…

Very little of the cost of an iPhone is to make up for lost advertising revenue.

If you spread all the revenue of Facebook & Google over every android device it still wouldn’t come close to the difference in price.

Apple could make much cheaper devices, but they’d just end up cannibalising the sales of their high end phones.

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Post by mr_toad »

andy_ppp wrote: post #42

Seeing as Google pays Apple $12bn to be the default search engine on iOS devices I’m tempted to call hypocrisy here... http://fortune.com/2018/09/29/google-apple-safari-search-eng...

Google’s probably going to make about $130-140 billion, gross, in 2018. Twelve billion is a huge chunk of their profit margin.

Given that the source on this is one guy at Goldman Sachs, I’d treat that number with some suspicion.

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Post by distortednet »

burtonator wrote: post #258

I'd like to think I'm one of the good guys here. I was one of the inventors of RSS and Atom and worked to push open content and social media. I started a social data search platform named Datastreamer ( http://www.datastreamer.io/ ) which is basically a petabyte-scale content indexing engine. We provide API feeds to search engines and social media analytics companies needing bulk data but don't want to have to build…

IPFS is dope as shit, and aims to be much more than what it advertises on the surface.
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