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EU approves internet copyright law, including ‘link tax’ and ‘upload filter’

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Post by komali2 »

owenversteeg wrote: post #457
bad_user wrote: post #381

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not that I agree with this copyright directive, it's horrible and I intend to find out which of my representatives supported it such that I can do something about it. But the EU, as a whole, is the world's biggest market and it is a common market in spite of legal and cultural differences between countries. So that's pretty naive. And if companies think the "compliance cost" is too big, that's fine, it means they are…

I too am an EU citizen, living in the Netherlands. I am also an American citizen and have lived there. Although I generally prefer the Dutch set of laws to the American, Dutch laws stifle innovation. The difference in even simple things like setting up a business, hiring an employee, and ensuring compliance with local laws is insane. Every time I go to America I get requests for random things that either don't exist…

I don't understand the relationship between regulations and the higher cost of bengay. It seems more likely that the higher cost of bengay is due to it being needed to ship across the world.

Is there not a Dutch version of the same compound, manufacturered closer to home?

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Post by Aeolun »

owenversteeg wrote: post #457
bad_user wrote: post #381

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not that I agree with this copyright directive, it's horrible and I intend to find out which of my representatives supported it such that I can do something about it. But the EU, as a whole, is the world's biggest market and it is a common market in spite of legal and cultural differences between countries. So that's pretty naive. And if companies think the "compliance cost" is too big, that's fine, it means they are…

I too am an EU citizen, living in the Netherlands. I am also an American citizen and have lived there. Although I generally prefer the Dutch set of laws to the American, Dutch laws stifle innovation. The difference in even simple things like setting up a business, hiring an employee, and ensuring compliance with local laws is insane. Every time I go to America I get requests for random things that either don't exist…

Setting up a business in the Netherlands is literally one trip to the nearest KVK office and about 30 minutes of your time.

I wouldn’t say that’s very difficult.

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Post by komali2 »

lexs wrote: post #486
nordsieck wrote: post #365

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> Yeah, but wouldn't cutting 500 million of the wealthiest customers from your solution have a pretty significant business impact? It seems likely that large internet businesses will probably pay to comply with GDPR. Many small businesses, whose customers are often mostly regional anyhow, may decide that it's just not worth the cost of compliance.

Complying with the GDPR is not really a cost thing, unless you count loss of revenue from not squeezing everything you can out of user data.

I think the fear is that troll law firms will sprout up that get really good and nailing smaller companies for a minor, relatively harmless infraction.

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Post by dmix »

bepotts wrote: post #379
zmmmmm wrote: post #235

This is such a great outcome for Google, they could not have gotten such a good outcome if they had bribed the legislators directly. They've essentially enshrined the infrastructure Google has already as a legal requirement for the bare minimum threshold to host a web site now. Google can sit back and stop worrying about there ever being competition from Europe now.

US tech giants haven't worried about competition coming from Europe for awhile now. They worry about competition coming from either within the country or China.

What about foreign companies operating in europe...wouldn't they have to comply? Or does this only apply to companies with headquarters in Europe?

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Post by thejenk »

Gaelan wrote: post #375
megous wrote: post #246

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Compare that to my country, where it's perfectly legal to download whatever music or movies you like from the internet for personal use, pirate websites or not. Also a western democracy. So it's not so bad everywhere. Though a price for this is that we pay a special tax on every storage device we purchase.

If you don’t mind, where is this?

My mind jumped to Canada when I read the above comment, but really there are a number of countries that fit the mould. Most western countries have a special levy on blank media, including all EU member states except Luxembourg. I don't know which countries don't prohibit the downloading copyrighted material similarly to how they prohibit sharing that media, but Canada is one of them.

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Post by kowdermeister »

jasonkostempski wrote: post #447
kowdermeister wrote: post #372

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+1, they already comply, but if I were to launch something with UGC, I should probably host it in Afghanistan and back it by a company registered on the Moon. > Google can sit back and stop worrying Name one company from EU who have a slight potential to be a minor threat for (YouTube / Search)

Does it matter if that company is from EU? Even a new engine centralized in the US won't be able to operate in the EU without substantial cost. That's a pretty big market/data source to miss out on.

I've seen the debate and some politician said that big platforms should be stopped. Which is why I thought that why not work on creating an environment that supports competition rise from the EU? But yeah, it shouldn't matter where new players come from, however I think a Chinese startup will laugh at GDPR and upload filters.

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Post by Natanael_L »

nemoniac wrote: post #431
virmundi wrote: post #407

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This can have a chilling affect on content creation, and thus the dissemination of ideas. YouTube will have to create a filter that covers their liability. They might be able to automate, but it depends on the jurisdiction. For example, the US has fair use laws. A person may copy a segment of a copyrighted work to comment on it. There are territories in the EU where they can't. How does YouTube filter this? If the ne…

> This can have a chilling affect on content creation It in no way prevents anyone from creating content and publishing it on their own website. You make it sound like the youtubes of this world are necessary for content creation.

You're forgetting that everybody are liable under a law like this. Including reddit, and hacker news itself

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Post by vhiremath4 »

Perhaps the most disastrous side effects of articles 11 and 13:

1. Access for EU residents is shut down on many sites. 2. GDPR is not taken seriously, even if 11 and 13 get repealed. 3. We once again do not have a legal body to look to as privacy thought leaders. 3. People will stop taking the EU seriously as a

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Post by Tharkun »

h91wka wrote: post #489

This is wrong on more levels than it seems from the first glance: 1) I've witnessed creeping internet censorship starting just like this: first it's something as innocuous as "let's protect creators" or "let's protect children from harmful content", then 6 years later you can't criticize the government. They've just created a legal framework for massive automated censorship, and also Overton window was moved. I expec…

TV, storefront and voting. The latter can then be abused to pretend the public agrees.
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