You can’t fix diversity in tech without fixing the technical interview • Hacker News Board

Re: You can’t fix diversity in tech without fixing the technical interview

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Post by ubernostrum » Mon, Nov 07, 2016, 2:20 AM UTC

gspetr wrote: post #498

ubernostrum wrote: post #495

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The problem as always is that, every time a field or industry has tried to argue "well, (insert underrepresented group here) just aren't interested in / aren't as good at what we do", no matter how many attempts they make to justify it with weird evolutionary arguments, they usually end up being proven wrong when someone finds a way to remove bias from the entry process of that field or industry. Seriously, go read a…

This is an interesting analogy and there is evidence that it works, as long as you somehow negate the gatekeeper: Biases from interviewers. Does it still hold when there is no gatekeeper? I'm not seeing that many minority or women as entrepreneurs. Can you hypothesize why is that? For example if the oft cited gender pay gap is really as wide as 23%, where are the all female companies with female CEOs exploiting the m…

You really really really want to read this:

http://danluu.com/tech-discrimination/

Re: You can’t fix diversity in tech without fixing the technical interview

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Post by wpietri » Mon, Nov 07, 2016, 3:05 AM UTC

moduspol wrote: post #493

wpietri wrote: post #492

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> Your [sic] frustrated response at someone who would have the audacity to challenge your view reinforce the claim that it doesn't happen enough. The problem here is that you're not challenging my views. You're just repeating a generic pro status quo argument, which comes up every time anybody suggests that there might be some better approach than the (historically racist, sexist) status quo. I have seen it a million…

There's no cowardice involved, and the sooner you realize that, the sooner you'll be on a path to a rational discussion. The argument's validity isn't based on who says it, and continuing to harp on this point really shows the hoops you're willing to jump through to avoid making a rational point. > You don't want to limit your "hiring options", while you work to retain the limit on hiring options for women and black…

If there's no cowardice involved, start posting this stuff under your real name. Until then, adieu. I have enough honest interlocutors to talk with; you and your hood will just have to keep each other company.

Re: You can’t fix diversity in tech without fixing the technical interview

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Post by wpietri » Mon, Nov 07, 2016, 3:06 AM UTC

wpietri wrote: post #338

FT_intern wrote: post #322

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You didn't give any examples of it. I completely agree with the 2nd paragraph about technological/software diversity advantages.

I'm glad to try. What sort of example would you find helpful?

Looks like you've lost interest. If you get curious again, feel free to email me; I'm glad to talk further.

Re: You can’t fix diversity in tech without fixing the technical interview

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Post by gspetr » Sun, Nov 13, 2016, 4:24 PM UTC

ubernostrum wrote: post #501

gspetr wrote: post #498

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is an interesting analogy and there is evidence that it works, as long as you somehow negate the gatekeeper: Biases from interviewers. Does it still hold when there is no gatekeeper? I'm not seeing that many minority or women as entrepreneurs. Can you hypothesize why is that? For example if the oft cited gender pay gap is really as wide as 23%, where are the all female companies with female CEOs exploiting the m…

You really really really want to read this: http://danluu.com/tech-discrimination/

I have read your comment's link. I wish I hadn't.

Why? Because you haven't read mine. You replied to a strawman.

I was talking about female CEOs, not female employees.

Where are the female Zuckerbergs and Bill Gates' who dropped out of college and went on to build tech empires?