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Re: MacBook Pro

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Post by kgwgk »

astrowilliam wrote: post #351
rayiner wrote: post #259

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Microsoft really hit it out of the park yesterday. Did we watch the same event? Microsoft introduced a $3,000 desktop PC in an era when nobody uses desktops anymore. It introduced a minor update to the Surface Book that starts at $2,300 with dual-core CPU, only 8GB of RAM, and last-gen graphics hardware. For the same price as the new Surface Book i7, I can get an MBP 15" with bigger screen, twice the RAM, and a qua…

I sit at an Apple desktop (macbook pro with 2 apple monitors) for most of my day so I can use my giant screen to design interfaces and I'm not cramped into a laptop's tiny 13 inch screen. The last office of about 5,000 devs and designers that I worked at had desktops with monitors. No one worked on laptops except a few people here and there. I would lose HOURS of productivity per week if I were not on a dual screen s…

> I sit at an Apple desktop (macbook pro with 2 apple monitors)

You're kind of proving his point... even the people who doesn't need a portable computer do get a portable computer instead of a desktop one nowadays. (By the way, I don't agree on desktop computers not being used anymore: I spent most of my day using a desktop computer. And a desktop telephone, another supossedly dissapearing technology.)

Re: MacBook Pro

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Post by vladimir-y »

thoth wrote: post #463
vladimir-y wrote: post #370

So now there will be no way to use new Macbooks with Linux/Windows installed due to that weird numeric touch keys row? I better consider recently updated HP Spectre x360 with newest Kaby Lake CPU and usual fn keys row, plus it's convertible if someone needs that.

Windows support for the touch bar gizmo will depend on Apple updating their bootcamp drivers. As for Linux... I guess somebody will need to reverse engineer and write a driver for it.

Doesn't sound very encouraging, but yes there is no other way since obviously Apple is not supposed to support Linux/Windows systems.

That Spectre x360 laptop in my opinion does look like a real Macbook competitor, even a better device in some aspects.

Re: MacBook Pro

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Post by TheRealDunkirk »

lostgame wrote: post #454
inputcoffee wrote: post #335

Everyone seems disappointed but I think the reason is this: There isn't that much to innovate on the laptop. If you want real innovation, you need new form factors: voice recognition, VR, intelligent devices and so on. The laptop is excellent at what it does and the only thing you can really do is make it faster and lighter.

Everyone's disappointed because we don't WANT innovation. We WANT better battery life, not a slightly thinner laptop. We WANT our USB ports and MagSafe. We WANT a touchscreen MacBook. We WANT significantly upgraded specs, and expandability. We WANT to have the same physical keyboard layout we've had forever. We WANT Apple to stop f•••ing us around by increasing the price while actively removing features. THIS laptop…

For me, "please, no," to the touchscreen. I think Apple is quite rightly keeping the dividing line between macOS and iOS with a touch screen.

Re: MacBook Pro

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Post by J0-nas »

wkirby wrote: post #427

What I wanted: - 7th generation Intel chips. Skylake (6th generation) is from August 2015. - A move to Nvidia GPUs - Retain the magsafe power adapter - At least one dedicated display-out port, preferably HDMI - 32GB RAM for the 15 inch base model - Support for the airpods using their new W1 chip What I'm mad they included: - Price increase for low value - Touch Bar does away with physical keys I use daily (most impor…

Couldn't have said it any better. Though I read somewhere that there apparently is a good reason to go for Skylake now and do a bump next summer.

Here is to hoping the last gen will experience a price drop by non-apple retailers. Keeping the same price is just shameless. I feel like they could decrease the price without any problem but also know that many people prefer the old version and want to milk their money.

Re: MacBook Pro

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Post by gm-conspiracy »

overcast wrote: post #326

Ugh. I don't know what to do here. I've been waiting for Mac updates for ages, and this is what we get. My 2008 Mac Pro is maxed out on upgrades, and has been on the fritz lately. I can't go forever on an 8+ year old machine. Especially one that is no longer "officially supported" by Apple, and now requires 3rd party patches to install Sierra and its updates. Microsoft's Surface presentation yesterday was VERY tempti…

Hackintosh?

Re: MacBook Pro

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Post by stillhaveadream »

yoodenvranx wrote: post #402
inputcoffee wrote: post #335

Everyone seems disappointed but I think the reason is this: There isn't that much to innovate on the laptop. If you want real innovation, you need new form factors: voice recognition, VR, intelligent devices and so on. The laptop is excellent at what it does and the only thing you can really do is make it faster and lighter.

> There isn't that much to innovate on the laptop. Just imagine they would make the thing 5 mm thicker and fill all the space with battery. Instant 2-3 day non-stop runtime. That's what I'd like to see.

I like that too,lol

Re: MacBook Pro

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Post by ohstopitu »

I was looking to get a new laptop this year (black friday) and now I have no idea what I'm getting. I've waited years for a Retina Macbook Air and instead, we got this.

Overall, I'm less and less impressed with Apple. I am considering getting a mac mini for iOS development and calling it quits and moving over to the Windows world.

Re: MacBook Pro

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Post by TheRealDunkirk »

kilroy123 wrote: post #339
40acres wrote: post #252

I was very intruged by the Dell XPS 13/15, especially since they come in a developer edition which runs Ubuntu. I've been holding off on a purchase because I wanted to see what Apple would come up with, Dell looks pretty strong today.

I bought one a few years ago. Worst laptop I've ever bought! The keyboard was broken right out of the box. They replace it, reluctantly. I always had problems with the touchpad after that. The CPU fan went out after a year. Then I had lots of trouble with replacements after that. Ugh. Much happier with my Macbook Pro.

Other than the hardware failure, what's the situation with Ubuntu handling things like external displays and suspending?

Re: MacBook Pro

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Post by freshyill »

swang wrote: post #341

I have the early 2013 MacBook Pro. It is still pretty fast. Nothing I saw today makes me happy to upgrade as a developer. Sure it's lighter and thinner and HUUGE trackpad that's a nice to have when I'm traveling. But the TouchBar requires me to look down at my keyboard which slows me down. And they can't even leave the keyboard itself alone with the terrible butterfly implementation coming over from the 12" MacBook.…

I have no idea with the idea of MagSafe, but on my Retina MacBook Pro (also early 2013), it's become extremely finicky. About 20% of the time, it just doesn't charge. I just have to connect and disconnect it a few times and eventually it works.

Re: MacBook Pro

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Post by bilbo0s »

throwanem wrote: post #324
rayiner wrote: post #259

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Microsoft really hit it out of the park yesterday. Did we watch the same event? Microsoft introduced a $3,000 desktop PC in an era when nobody uses desktops anymore. It introduced a minor update to the Surface Book that starts at $2,300 with dual-core CPU, only 8GB of RAM, and last-gen graphics hardware. For the same price as the new Surface Book i7, I can get an MBP 15" with bigger screen, twice the RAM, and a qua…

> Microsoft introduced a 28" desktop PC No. Microsoft introduced an entirely new kind of tool for digital artists. I'm not one myself, but the Surface Studio makes me wish I were. And the people I know who are, are over the moon about it. They can't wait to get their hands on one. Yes, it's Microsoft that hit it out of the park, and made Apple look amazingly weak by comparison. Today's event wouldn't have been partic…

I'm a digital artist myself. I'm a more goal based guy, so I use both Windows and Mac hardware and software. I know that I am probably the target market for both the Macbook Pro and the Surface Studio, but I have to say, I'm not impressed. And I'd argue that the only people who are would have to be Microsoft or Apple fans. Certainly not tech based artists.

First, this is a business for me. And I suspect it's a business for anyone that Apple or Microsoft expects to sell this stuff to. And having to pay $3000 for outdated hardware is a tough pill to swallow. The hardware in the Macbook "Pro" is simply inexcusable. (REALLY???? 16GB RAM MAX!?!?!?) But the hardware in the Surface Studio is equally galling. They give you an NVidia what? 965 for $3000??? And the BEST I could even POSSIBLY get would be a 980??? And for that magnanimous gesture on their part I would be obliged to pay a MINIMUM of $4100??? For LAST GENERATION graphics cards???? On a machine purportedly about graphics???? (A 1080 would run both faster AND cooler using LESS power Microsoft. And at this point in time, for a business investment 64GB of RAM should really be offered by anyone NOT trying to screw you. What's the deal Microsoft???)

I think to objective observers who were waiting for these presentations... both proved SEVERELY underwhelming considering the pent up expectations. I mean... OK... if you put a gun to my head, I'll probably buy the Surface Studio. But don't expect me to pretend that I don't know that both Microsoft and Apple are robbing me.

Sorry for the rant.

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