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That awkward moment when Apple mocked good hardware and poor people
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#502I have an i7 930, I bought in 2010. Like hell I could benefit from a USD 600 iPad Pro. His statement actually only shows me how preposterous it is to buy an iPad.
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#503I just can't bring myself to feel the author's anger, in any capacity. He wants to position this as a jab against those who build their own PCs, but that is utterly irrelevant. What percentage of those 600 million five-year-old PCs do you really think are being thoughtfully maintained by modders? Does the author realize that most people do not want the responsibility of maintaining their own hardware? Or that they do…
+1. To most people, a (computer, laptop, tablet, phone, ...) is a tool. For many, it's a tool that lets them use Facebook/Instagram/Word/Excel; they don't care HOW or WHAT they use as long as it lets them do those things in a way that doesn't slow them down.
An iPad Pro is very good at filling in the gaps for MANY MANY people. The only problem with it is that its much more expensive than a second-hand computer (a relatively new Dell refurb with low end, but "good enough" parts, costs ~$400 with a monitor. Same deal with a cheap laptop).
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#504Earlier quoted context omitted.
I am not sure if I was suddenly without money, the iPhone would be what I would want to give up. The utility of the device is incredible: Mapping. Phone. Internet. Email. Alarm Clock. Calendaring. Photography. If anything we should work to get smart phones in the hands of the poor. It would be a great way to improve their lives for a somewhat modest cost. I am not sure it is all for looks. Maybe we could quibble abou…
> I am not sure if I was suddenly without money, the iPhone would be what I would want to give up. If you have an iPhone and then become poor, sure. You probably won't get ahead much by getting rid of your iPhone. If you're already poor, then an iPhone (not a smartphone) is definitely a luxury. There are capable smartphones for much cheaper then an iPhone that could get the job done. That's what GP was likely getting…
I think the real problem is that new updates to iphone software are not capable of being run on old iPhones. Thus, the older, yet still physically capable, phones are softly obsoleted.
There is no reason there shouldnt be a 3G, 4, 4S capable of owrking and in the hands of "the poor"
Why not a turn-in system where older yet still functioning phones are given to anyone who wants them.
I personally am guilty of not properly handling my old phones. I've had every single generation of the iPhone since the initial launch. I've broken 17 of them to date. I have no clue where the other 16 are now, aside from one.
I'd happily have contributed my old phones to some program where either poor or kids can have them freely.
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#505Earlier quoted context omitted.
Just because the school provides free lunch to everyone does not mean the family cannot afford lunch. At some point it becomes cheaper to just give everyone lunch than to deal with the hassle of deciding which kid owes $1.55 and which doesn't. In fact, providing free lunch to all children in public school is an extremely cheap way of marginally reducing kids' awareness of who's poor and who isn't.
Very marginal if at at all. Believe me especially by middle school and older, everyone knows who is poor, who is rich, who is a slut, who is religious, who is a jock, etc. And there are other ways, e.g. everyone has a swipe card or number code to "pay" for their lunch and you never know who's on the free lunch program or not. I've never heard of a school giving free lunch by default, though. Maybe in areas where 99%…
> Maybe in areas where 99% of the kids would qualify anyway?
Yes. Which there are a lot of, because poverty is so extremely concentrated.
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#506I just can't bring myself to feel the author's anger, in any capacity. He wants to position this as a jab against those who build their own PCs, but that is utterly irrelevant. What percentage of those 600 million five-year-old PCs do you really think are being thoughtfully maintained by modders? Does the author realize that most people do not want the responsibility of maintaining their own hardware? Or that they do…
I didn't read any "anger" in the article... I thought the points were well founded. I also like the comments to the article regarding the recycle-ability of the materials Apple uses and their program - however, as I mentioned in another comment, I have had 17 different iPhones and I have no clue what happened to ~15 of them.
So I think, in general, we REALLY need to start (I need to start) becoming more conscientious of how we consume personal electronics.
EDIT: I just want to point out that your comment is fantastic, and you make great points! I just wanted to state that I didnt perceive "anger" in the OP article.
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#508Earlier quoted context omitted.
> Forgot to say, that by comparison, Android/Windows/whatever smartphones are relatively unknown. Huh? Android has nearly twice the market share of iOS: https://www.netmarketshare.com/operating-system-market-share... > iPhones are still seen as another class above by many, if not most, people. This is severely anecdotal. But here's an anecdote from me to balance things out: where I come (and indeed within the industr…
Two points: 1 - I can't tell you the number of times I've asked if the person has an Android phone, only to be told: "No, I have a Samsung Galaxy..." 2 - I agree, severely anecdotal. :) I think you'll find that most on the street have never heard of the OnePlus One, and that same group see the iPhone as a luxury item.
What is this... World Generalization Day? :)
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#509Earlier quoted context omitted.
I bought an iPhone 3GS in 2009, that's 6 and a half years ago and my daughter now uses it at school. It even still connects to the App Store. Other than a cracked screen it works fine. Battery life isn't great, but it gets her through the school day. These things have incredible lifetimes and also keep their resale value very well. So in terms of value, I'm not convinced that iPhones are a frivolous luxury. In my exp…
I still have an iPad 1 and I have the opposite feeling. Many websites kill the browser and I can't install another one. I'm gradually running out of use cases (browsing the web in a comfortable position is my main use case) and the device hardware itself is in perfect shape.
You can install goodreader on it and use it for PDFs. The pandora app works ok (crashes once every couple days).
Re: That awkward moment when Apple mocked good hardware and poor people
#510I think its easy to point fingers, but I myself is guilty of "mocking poor people". One memory that stuck in my mind was during college during office hours. A classmate was struggling to configure her assignment on her 5 year old PC, nobody really wanted to help her because her computer was so old and so irrelevant. Casually, I joked (with classmates around us)
"You should burn your laptop and get a mac." Some laughed, but she didn't.
"Why don't you buy me one"
I was a little offended, her remark and body language felt a little hostile. We never talked again.
This memory stuck with me and I wish I could apologize to her. My seemingly harmless remark poked fun at her economic handicap for my amusement.