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Apple’s declining software quality

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Re: Apple’s declining software quality

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I don't, and I've been using it since the Public Beta.

Every update needs a restart. How does your mac update without a restart, the latter updates require an installation where OS X isn't running.

I'm saying updates have always required a restart. You said you remember a time when this was not the case, and I'm pretty sure such times never existed.

Re: Apple’s declining software quality

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Totally forgot about Ping. I love being reminded of old "features".

Its funny watching the announcements of these products now.

I just get sad seeing Steve with meat on his bones... We watched him wither away.

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This has to be a management problem. Apple has total control over the hardware, total control over third party developers, and $203 billion in cash. What are they doing wrong? Apple has the resources to approach software like aerospace. Formal interface specs, heavy Q/A, tough regression tests, formal methods. It's expensive, but Apple ships so many copies that the cost per unit is insignificant. Microsoft did that,…

Nah, I think it's a perception problem. As someone whose starry-eyed Mac obsession predated Windows 95 - Apple's software has always been buggy. It was buggy under Sculley, it was buggy under Amelio, and it was buggy under Jobs. I remember getting plenty of sad Macs under System 6 and 7, and early versions of OS X weren't any better. We just didn't care because Steve Jobs was really good at distracting us with promis…

I think you've touched on something key: people's acceptance of bugs is often outweighed by the new features they get. In other words, if the "new functionality" is perceived to outweigh the costs of the lack of reliability, the product will be deemed "less buggy" because people "understand" why there are issues.

This made total sense in some of Apple's biggest products: OS X and iPhone. When OS X first came out it couldn't even burn CDS, but we all "understood" the magnitude of the project and thus gave it some slack. Similarly, the iPhone lacked a lot and was slow, but it was such a revolution that we let it slide -- in fact we let the rest of the products slide.

The problem today I think is that these decisions are being made for reasons that users don't deem "worthy". Introducing some new music services is not a good enough reason to break my iTunes. The fact that a new watch was released is not considered important enough to let other platforms languish. We "get" why less attention is being paid to other products, but unlike with the phone, its not deemed a good trade off.

In other words, I don't think Jobs was distracting us with promises, but with actual shiny things that made the bugginess worthwhile.

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Agree on all the items. Not just Apple, I see similar issues with Google. Google's Youtube IOS app has issue playing video correctly. It can't even buffer the segments correctly. Google latest Android Map crashes all the times 1-2 minutes into the navigation, extremely dangerous when I have to restart the navigate while driving. I can't depend on it at all. I have to roll back to the default factory install older ver…

All iOS issues with Google software, I suspect, have more to do with Apple being dicks to Google than with Google fucking up. Remember, Apple is really trying hard to rid iOS of all Google programs. Remember Apple Maps?

No. Google has the same access to things as any other developer. It's Google, full stop.

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iLife was very important to Steve, he dedicated a lot of time demoing the apps on stage. He was a huge fan of ripping out all the features of iMovie. Same with iTunes (which has gotten a ton of criticism over the years), he was the one that kept cramming everything under the sun into it. I don't know if he was as passionate about X Code, but he sure liked to brag about having the best development environment. Interfa…

Interface Builder is superb once you get the hang of it.

I won't start a religious war here, but IB is awesome in demos and less awesome in real world. Versioning alone is enough to make you go crazy (especially back in the .nib days!).

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They didn't call me a liar. They just implied I was wrong. Big difference. You can be wrong without lying. I was wrong. I had forgotten that I do use several default apps, taking them for granted, and overstated my case.

Since it was a statement by you about your own actions, saying he thinks you are wrong in that wording is calling you a liar. It could, and I think should , have been worded differently if the intent was to probe whether you were being hyperbolic or mistaken. E.g. "I'm not sure how someone would go about not using any Apple app, such as calculator, camera, clock, contacts, messages, phone, photos, safari. Do you not…

Lying means you believe X but say Y. If you believe Y, say Y, but the fact is X, that's not lying.

Re: Apple’s declining software quality

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This has to be a management problem. Apple has total control over the hardware, total control over third party developers, and $203 billion in cash. What are they doing wrong? Apple has the resources to approach software like aerospace. Formal interface specs, heavy Q/A, tough regression tests, formal methods. It's expensive, but Apple ships so many copies that the cost per unit is insignificant. Microsoft did that,…

>>Apple has the resources to approach software like aerospace. Formal interface specs, heavy Q/A, tough regression tests, formal methods. It's expensive, but Apple ships so many copies that the cost per unit is insignificant. They don't have the time, however.

Or rather, the marginal return isn't worth the investment.

Re: Apple’s declining software quality

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It is not fair to single out Apple - all the software has gone downhill in the past couple of years - browsers, websites, apps, appliances, virtually everything. My suspicion is that it's the proliferation of new ways of doing things - new languages, no-sql/key-value db's, new hosting platforms such as AWS, docker, big data stuff like hadoop, storm and spark, all kinds of embedded software (tv's, cars), etc - we've g…

It's not a question of fair. It's just pointing out that for a company with huge amounts of cash on hand and the kind of hardware integration they benefit from (which normally makes software development MUCH easier), their products are simply not good anymore. Just because they're Apple doesn't mean they get a pass.

Re: Apple’s declining software quality

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The Cult of Steve? It think it's actually declined a little.

That Isaacson book really leveled him for a lot of people. OP is right about him not putting up with crap. Sure, not everything that came out of Cupertino was rock solid. But I think as much of an aesthete that he appears to be have been, it's also pretty evident that he was incredibly shrewd and knew he had to ship at some point. The cruddy software might be coming from Apple repositioning itself from an innovation…

> That Isaacson book really leveled him for a lot of people.

To me it actually had the opposite effect: after reading it I had a newfound respect towards Apple and Jobs. The book was honest and fair, I don't know why people think it does a disservice to him since everyone knew he was an asshole. This is coming from someone that avoids Apple products, FWIW.

Re: Apple’s declining software quality

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This is for entertainment purposes only type of question - what if they moved just the desktop to Linux instead of OS X and port Cocoa atop Wayland? Leave the mobile stuff on iOS, which it seems it's good for. This is the kind of revolutionary thinking Jobs had when he went OS 9 -> OS X... could Linux set them free on the desktop by open sourcing the desktop OS X? I know, I know, it sounds ridiculous, but there's bit…

What would that get them? OS X is already built on top of BSD.
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