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Re: Dear Google Mail Team

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Post by kbenson »

mordocai wrote: post #36
EStudley wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I agree completely. Wasn't there a thread here a just few days ago discussing Gmail consistently marking personal mail servers as spam? EDIT: Found it. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=9855030

I use DKIM and have Reverse DNS + SPF and gmail likes my email just fine. However, previous to setting all that up gmail would commonly mark my messages as spam. I haven't tested it in the last few days.

Which is just as well, since even if you can set up a mail daemon, if you can't set up the rest of that, you have no place running a mail server.

Re: Dear Google Mail Team

#52

Post by eridius »

cybojanek wrote: post #3

How much of this is caused by people marking mailing list emails as SPAM instead of properly unsubscribing?

How much of this is caused by marketing mailing lists sending messages to people who never subscribed?

I know I get a fair amount of unsolicited marketing list messages that do have an Unsubscribe link, which I click, but I also mark as spam because I never subscribed to it in the first place (of course, I'm also not using Google Mail, I'm using FastMail with a personalized SpamAssassin filter, but I assume it will still influence the global default SpamAssassin filter).

Re: Dear Google Mail Team

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Post by kbenson »

cmdrfred wrote: post #49
mordocai wrote: post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I use DKIM and have Reverse DNS + SPF and gmail likes my email just fine. However, previous to setting all that up gmail would commonly mark my messages as spam. I haven't tested it in the last few days.

I have all of that and it took about 2 weeks of people pulling my messages out of spam for it to work smoothly.

Were they set up initially, or after you noticed problems? I wonder if prior messages routed to the spam folder that people haven't marked as non-spam count against you for a certain prior period.

Re: Dear Google Mail Team

#54

Post by fweespeech »

mordocai wrote: post #36
EStudley wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I agree completely. Wasn't there a thread here a just few days ago discussing Gmail consistently marking personal mail servers as spam? EDIT: Found it. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=9855030

I use DKIM and have Reverse DNS + SPF and gmail likes my email just fine. However, previous to setting all that up gmail would commonly mark my messages as spam. I haven't tested it in the last few days.

And the moment someone accidentally clicks the SPAM button you'll find yourself with weeks of pain on a low volume mail server.

Because, as an individual, you won't qualify for their FBL service and "mysteriously" you'll have weeks of everyone saying you end up in their spam folder.

Re: Dear Google Mail Team

#55

Post by jcborro »

secabeen wrote: post #2

I run my own mail server with full SPF, DKIM and SRS, routing the mail through a relay at a reputable VPS provider on high-reputation IPs. Over the last few months, there seems to be this pattern where if I email someone @gmail who I've never mailed before, they don't seem to ever get it. I wonder if this is the issue.

Ditto, this. Some recipients find mails in the spam folder, others claim they aren't even in there, but have simply vanished. All were accepted for delivery by gsmtp.

Re: Dear Google Mail Team

#56

Post by Bill_Dimm »

pd1 wrote: post #39
therealarmen wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't blame them when the Unsubscribe link is buried at the bottom of a 8MB marketing newsletter in 4px font.

Or when you need to log in again to unsubscribe

Which is presumably done so that if you forward the newsletter to someone else they can't (accidentally or maliciously) unsubscribe you by clicking the link.

Re: Dear Google Mail Team

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Post by stevewepay »

I get about 600 emails a day because I forward everything* from all my email addresses through a single email account, and I only see 9 spam messages in my spam box, and they are all spam.

Re: Dear Google Mail Team

#58

Post by cmdrfred »

kbenson wrote: post #53
cmdrfred wrote: post #49

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I have all of that and it took about 2 weeks of people pulling my messages out of spam for it to work smoothly.

Were they set up initially, or after you noticed problems? I wonder if prior messages routed to the spam folder that people haven't marked as non-spam count against you for a certain prior period.

I added them after I noticed problems really. Postfix and Dovecot have somewhat of a learning curve (I started up and trashed a few VM's before I got it right). I ended up using IRedMail, the defaults are pretty much Gmail ready.

I don't know about prior messages counting against you, given what I've seen it seems to makes sense. Without insider info we can only speculate.

Re: Dear Google Mail Team

#59

Post by cortesoft »

billconan wrote: post #21

very funny, right after I saw this, I decided to check my spam folder just to see if anything important has been filtered out, and I saw an email sent by google marked as a spam: this email is sent by google when logging in google account from a new machine. they tag their own email as spam ... Hi xxx, Your Google Account xxx@gmail.com was just used to sign in from Chrome on Windows. Don't recognize this activity? Re…

Haha, I did the exact same thing and found the exact same messages. I thought maybe they were fake, but looking into them they look legit.

Good job, Google!!

Re: Dear Google Mail Team

#60

Post by larssorenson »

troymc wrote: post #30
guelo wrote: post #16

I fear SMTP is going to go the way of RSS at the hands of these giant corps. Closed protocols within machine gun lined walled gardens are the future. Sorry old idealistic computer hipies, we've failed you.

What does this have to do with SMTP?

I think that the parent is talking about how much power Google has over mail delivery within its own system, which encompasses a larger number of people. If Google decided to switch to a non standard protocol, then smtp'ers would be left high and dry as Microsoft and Yahoo possibly follow suit to maintain an advantage.

Speculation of course but it does point out the problem with Google becoming too big.

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