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Re: User feedback on Pocket submitted to Mozilla

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Post by michaelt »

blfr wrote: post #26
Zuikaku wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The complaint is the fact that Pocket is now natively built into Firefox, which if you read the Pocket ToS, can be considered a violation of privacy. That, and the fact that because it is natively built in rather than a default extension, it cannot be removed, only disabled. It's something that couldn't be farther from necessary. That's the complaint here.

What's the difference between removing and disabling? Aren't they effectively the same? The source is still there to read/hack. Do you care about a few lines of inactive code? If so, I'd start the purge with Hello.

I can't speak for firefox users, but when I buy a phone and it comes with a "phone company daily deals" app that that can't be removed because it's a "system component" it often seems to me that they could easily have been made it removable, and that making bloat impossible to remove was a business decision.

Perhaps firefox users feel the same way.

Re: User feedback on Pocket submitted to Mozilla

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Post by tedunangst »

justthistime_ wrote: post #48
soapdog wrote: post #28

Let me clarify some things: * There is no money involved in the Pocket thing. * Pocket was added internally and not as an extension because it was easier. * You don't become a Pocket user simply by using Firefox, you need to actually use the feature. * Mozilla helped Pocket create a new privacy policy * If you don't use it, then it is not doing you any harm. If somehow the presence of a button annoys you, then you ca…

Some people like a browser to be a browser, not something which grows into a poorly engineered, sand-boxed, slow operating system inside of another operating system. Sorry, I just don't trust JavaScript developers that much.

Just wait until they turn it into a mail client...

Re: User feedback on Pocket submitted to Mozilla

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Post by k-mcgrady »

soapdog wrote: post #28

Let me clarify some things: * There is no money involved in the Pocket thing. * Pocket was added internally and not as an extension because it was easier. * You don't become a Pocket user simply by using Firefox, you need to actually use the feature. * Mozilla helped Pocket create a new privacy policy * If you don't use it, then it is not doing you any harm. If somehow the presence of a button annoys you, then you ca…

>> "* There is no money involved in the Pocket thing."

If there was money involved I would completely respect the decision. The fact that Firefox gets no money from this boggles my mind. It really does. If I was working at Pocket I'd be sitting at my desk laughing at how lucky we got.

Re: User feedback on Pocket submitted to Mozilla

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Post by brador »

soapdog wrote: post #28

Let me clarify some things: * There is no money involved in the Pocket thing. * Pocket was added internally and not as an extension because it was easier. * You don't become a Pocket user simply by using Firefox, you need to actually use the feature. * Mozilla helped Pocket create a new privacy policy * If you don't use it, then it is not doing you any harm. If somehow the presence of a button annoys you, then you ca…

> The Pocket feature is really useful for those using it and harmless for those not using it.

Textbook use case for an Addon eh.

Embedded in the install you're pushing a commercial organisations interests which might not align with those of the non-profit Mozilla orgs.

Please just remove it, and the video conferencing. Make them as addons as they should be, and work to tighten the privacy holes in firefox and put all about:config magic meat options in an advanced tab in the options menu where they should be.

Re: User feedback on Pocket submitted to Mozilla

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Post by muraiki »

soapdog wrote: post #28

Let me clarify some things: * There is no money involved in the Pocket thing. * Pocket was added internally and not as an extension because it was easier. * You don't become a Pocket user simply by using Firefox, you need to actually use the feature. * Mozilla helped Pocket create a new privacy policy * If you don't use it, then it is not doing you any harm. If somehow the presence of a button annoys you, then you ca…

Has there been any clarification on how the Pocket TOS applies to users of Firefox who aren't actively using Pocket? Because the wording seems to indicate that mere installation of "Pocket Technologies" constitutes acceptance of their TOS.

"Please read the following terms of service ("Agreement") before you install the Pocket™ application or use any of the products or services we provide through our application, software or website (all of which are referred to collectively herein as the "Pocket Technologies")... The terms of service constitute a binding legal agreement, which govern your use of the Pocket Technologies via any platform or device. By installing the Pocket™ application, visiting our website or installing or using any of the Pocket Technologies, you are accepting these terms of service."

Notice "installing or using any of the Pocket Technologies," along with the preceding definition: "application, software or website (all of which are referred to collectively herein as the "Pocket Technologies")"

Does the presence of Pocket integration in Firefox constitute installation of Pocket technologies? If so, then this TOS would appear to apply -- and it's a TOS I have no interest in accepting.

Re: User feedback on Pocket submitted to Mozilla

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Post by muraiki »

anon1385 wrote: post #42
reubenmorais wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The Pocket integration is open source, and it went through the same peer review process all code goes through before being pushed to the repositories.

Is the code on the Pocket servers open source? Can I point Firefox at my own Pocket server (or a Pocket server run by any organisation other than Pocket)?

You currently cannot point Firefox to your own Pocket-compatible service. The Firefox integration uses non-public parts of the Pocket API. A Mozilla employee opened a bug for this: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1179699

Re: User feedback on Pocket submitted to Mozilla

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Post by muraiki »

jszymborski wrote: post #6
realusername wrote: post #2

Yes sure, It's really negative feedback here but the majority of users commenting there have technical knowledge as you can see in the comments and most people are only commenting when they don't like things anyway, you never have any thanks if they like things (if you ever created something used by other people, you know what I'm talking about). So we can see that technical people (including me) don't like so much t…

very much agree. I honestly don't see what the hubub is all about. Re: privacy, Firefox maintains it's commitment and integrity. The pocket integration is very transparent (pocket has agreed to open-source it), and the tech-saavy people that seem to be the only people this offends can disable with about:config. Honestly, it seems that people seem to be upset about the idea that Firefox is raising money outside of don…

Mozilla is receiving no monetary compensation from Pocket's inclusion. See also my comment re: Pocket's TOS applying by virtue of installation, not usage. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=9885795

Re: User feedback on Pocket submitted to Mozilla

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Post by anon1385 »

sp332 wrote: post #46
userbinator wrote: post #45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What worries me more is that freedom isn't mentioned as fundamental.

How could Mozilla restrict your freedom? I guess they could hire lobbyists or something but that seems unlikely.

I assume they are referring to software freedom as described by Richard Stallman: https://www.gnu.org/philosophy/free-sw.html

Re: User feedback on Pocket submitted to Mozilla

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Post by josu »

soapdog wrote: post #28

Let me clarify some things: * There is no money involved in the Pocket thing. * Pocket was added internally and not as an extension because it was easier. * You don't become a Pocket user simply by using Firefox, you need to actually use the feature. * Mozilla helped Pocket create a new privacy policy * If you don't use it, then it is not doing you any harm. If somehow the presence of a button annoys you, then you ca…

>Firefox Hello is a collaboration, developed by Mozilla with help from Telefonica. Its videoconferencing without accounts. You don't need to create any account and it doesn't track you, how that is not good is beyond me.

Telefónica is seen as an evil company in Spain; it's the Spanish AT&T. It just doesn't look like a good match with Mozilla, really different cultures. I don't think that that's the problem, but it certainly doesn't help.

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