Someone has to be working on battery swaps instead of charging, right? That seems like such an easy solution to what most people consider the biggest problem with electric.
Tesla is working on battery swaps. The problem with it so far is that you have to return to the location where you swapped your battery to retrieve your original battery later, or be hit with a hefty fine.
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#52I think the article is overly optimistic and derives some sort of future prediction based on a simplified past performance of a totally different market. Tesla is a luxury , many of us can't afford it and if we could we would most likely opt for BMW or Benz. The reason these other car makers aren't moving yet is they are learning from Tesla. You don't want to be a first mover in this industry, you want to move so sli…
I don't get that dichotomy. If established car brands move into electric, wouldn't that kill both Tesla and gas stations? Why would gas stations survive?
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#53There's too much congestion for cars to work in urban areas, at least for commuting. It doesn't matter whether they are autonomous, electric, petrol, hydrogen or whatever. The capacity of a multi-lane freeway vs a heavy rail commuter line or metro is so small, even with carpooling.
Unless suddenly this trend reverses and everyone wants to live in the suburbs, the car is really in trouble.
I use public transit nearly all the time and for the times I don't, I take an uber. I tried uber once when there was a problem with transit, and the door to door time was something like 4x the metro due to traffic. Never again.
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#54OK, you say, but the iPhone launched at a high price too. The difference is, the iPhone's price came down in a couple of years and the Tesla's price is still extremely high, even for a luxury car, seven years after the launch of the Roadster. Is the price of a Tesla going to drop $50,000 in the next five to ten years?
Has the Tesla sold well? About 50,000 Teslas have been sold in the United States since 2012[1]. In contrast, Toyota sold over four times that number of cars in June 2015 alone.[2] "Struggling" Volkswagen sold 30,000 cars in April.[3] Even in the luxury category, BMW, Mercedes, and Lexus all sell in excess of 300,000 cars a year[4]. 300,000 cars a year, vs. 50,000 cars in three years.
The author also notes a number of advantages of the Tesla:
> It’s more fun to drive, with smooth, transmission-less acceleration. For most of us it is the fastest car we have ever owned.
> It’s quieter at all times and nearly silent at low speeds.
> It allows you to drive in the carpool lane
> It’s more roomy and has a trunk in the front (the “frunk”) AND a spacious back.
I agree with these.
> [It allows you] to sign up for a cheaper energy usage plan at home.
> It is always “full” every morning one drives it and you never need to go to a gas station.
This is true for people who live in detached houses. People who are ecologically conscious often prefer not to do this, and that makes it harder to gain a foothold among early adopters. In fact, among this segment, and among the younger segment overall, Tesla's biggest competition isn't going to be other car makers; it's going to be the decision not to own a car in the first place. Once Tesla reaches a point of economical mass production, they should seriously consider partnering with Zipcar to install charging stations at Zipcar lots and provide Teslas as Zipcar fleet vehicles; in the long run, they might get more Tesla drivers that way than they ever would selling vehicles to individual buyers.
If electric cars are the future, I'm going to despair that in the 21st century, we're still hauling around individual 300 pound Americans in 4,000 pound, 16 foot long cars. The trends towards young people returning to the city center and not owning cars are both better trends to encourage and more powerful trends than the trend of selling a really nice, $70,000 electric luxury car.
> It has a user interface - including, notably, its navigation system - as superior to that of other cars as the iPhone was to earlier phones.
> It is connected to the Internet.
> It continuously gets better with automatic updates and software improvements.
> It comes with an app that allows you to manage the car from your phone.
None of these are inherent to electric cars, and any luxury marque should be able to copy these, just like they've been copying from each other for years. And once the luxury marques copy these features, they will filter down to all new cars. (This is even assuming that the last three points are a positive, which I don't think they are.)
> Gas stations will start to go out of business as many more electric cars are sold, making gasoline powered vehicles even more inconvenient.
On the contrary, I think not actually having to sell as much gas would be a boon to the gas station. Gas stations make next to zero margin on actual gasoline, and all of their margin on the convenience store. People on road trips will still have to take breaks, use the restroom, and buy a Red Bull. The gas station doesn't really care whether you refuel your car along the way, but as long as they still exist and provide the service of refueling the driver (and how hard is it to set up some sort of metered power jack for your electric car at the gas station, too?), the business of actually selling fuel will be subsidized.
In fact, here's another way to look at it: diesel-powered cars are fairly rare in the US, and yet it's still easy to find a gas station that pumps diesel. Not every gas station does it, but it's not a barrier to diesel fuel sales.
[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tesla_Model_S#Global
[2] http://toyotanews.pressroom.toyota.com/releases/toyota+lexus...
[3] http://media.vw.com/release/976/
[4] http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/01/05/us-usa-autos-luxur...
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#55I would still buy a gasoline car just because there are no charging stations near where I live. Yeah you can charge at home, but if I have to take a longer trip? At least for me, I will wait until charging stations become more available. Could be a chicken and egg problem.
Interesting to think about small towns that lack electric car infrastructure: if many of those rely on tourism (thinking a remote seasonal vacation town), as their customers increasingly drive electric cars, they will have to change, which will bring more infrastructure to the whole city.
But the situation improved. When I visited a few months back, what a huge difference there was. I was amazed that out in the boondocks mobile phones worked just about everywhere. (Well, at least in that locality.)
Seems to suggest that once the demand for electric vehicle recharging begins to ramp up, the charge-station infrastructure will improve just as rapidly as cell phone towers have proliferated.
Tourism may be one motivator but seems predictable that once electric vehicles are good enough and affordable, small town residents themselves will generate the bulk of the demand for this infrastructure.
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#56I think the article is overly optimistic and derives some sort of future prediction based on a simplified past performance of a totally different market. Tesla is a luxury , many of us can't afford it and if we could we would most likely opt for BMW or Benz. The reason these other car makers aren't moving yet is they are learning from Tesla. You don't want to be a first mover in this industry, you want to move so sli…
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#57I see a very simple story: Among friends and family, I don't know anyone who would not get a Tesla, who doesn't already have one, once it reaches their price range. I also want to add that most folks I know are planning to make their cars last until such time as they can switch them out for a Tesla ( Model X preferably as a minivan replacement ).
I live in an area that can have limited access in bad weather, where 4x4 & high clearance are requirements, and right now a Tesla wouldn't cut it.
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#58Interesting article, though it forgets the elephant in the room: self-driving cars. The two will probably work hand in hand, but it is unlikely, in my opinion, that any electric cars will be charging at home very much, because most electric cars will be owned by companies, not individuals. Why own a car when you can pay a tiny percentage of a cab fare to go anywhere? When a journey that currently costs $50 costs 20 c…
What if the self-driving electric cab gets soiled with the last passenger's bodily fluids?
Self driving cars would be even better at this - if the car is dirty, you could press a button, which would send it back to the repair place, and send you a new car.
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#59> The reason electric cars will take over our roads is because consumers will DEMAND them. Electric cars will be better than any alternative, including the loud, inconvenient, gas-powered jalopy. The iPhone demonstrated that smartphones are infinitely better than the feature phones which dominated the world in 2007. The smartphone revolution analogy makes me cringe. Electric cars are currently playing catch up to the…
I think electric cars win on every metric except range and refill/recharge time. They have better torque, better efficiency, lower emissions, lower noise, simpler drivetrains, and more reliable motors.
Surely they're just around the corner!
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#60I would still buy a gasoline car just because there are no charging stations near where I live. Yeah you can charge at home, but if I have to take a longer trip? At least for me, I will wait until charging stations become more available. Could be a chicken and egg problem.
Interesting to think about small towns that lack electric car infrastructure: if many of those rely on tourism (thinking a remote seasonal vacation town), as their customers increasingly drive electric cars, they will have to change, which will bring more infrastructure to the whole city.