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Re: Thunderbird 3 released

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Post by ZeroGravitas »

ericb wrote: post #9
billybob wrote: post #8

Just curious - what's the appeal of non-web-based email? I'm forced to use Outlook at work, but I can't imagine having to install something to get my personal mail, and having to back up my personal mail. Do people do this mostly because they're concerned about their data privacy, or because it's easier to work when you don't have internet access, or what?

My wife's old yahoo account got hacked. Watching yahoo's nonexistent "customer service" "help" her convinced me there is a giant hidden danger to webmail--she essentially had no recourse, no way to reclaim the address, no way to recover old emails, no way to stop this person from getting new emails she might receive, and no way to stop them from impersonating her.

For geeks (and perhaps geek's spouses) owning your own domain and only contracting out the email hosting to Google is probably the way to go here. If it all goes wrong then you control the domain and what happens to emails sent to it.

Re: Thunderbird 3 released

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Post by arantius »

sounddust wrote: post #20
vito wrote: post #19

Just tried it here, I normally use Mail.app. First impressions were "oh, this isn't so bad," but then I started using it. It feels very janky, the interface is a bit disfunctional (going to File > New Folder gave absolutely no visual feedback as to where it put it, and if you have the filters window open and make a new folder you have to close and reopen the filters window for it to notice the new folder). The one th…

I downloaded it and tried it, and unfortunately it has the same two problems that I hate about version 2: 1) There is no option to say "reply using the same 'from' address that the mail was sent to." This means that you either have to set up an "identity" for every possible e-mail address you use, or you have to reveal your "main" identity to anyone who sends you an e-mail (and possibly confuse them in the process).…

> 1) There is no option to say "reply using the same 'from' address that the mail was sent to." ..

Used and loved this extension to solve that for some time: https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/thunderbird/addon/594

> 2) ... the status icon/indicator will get permanently stuck in "new mail" mode and you have to restart the app to get it to disappear.

Rarely seen similar behavior in TB2 (no upgrade yet). Goes away when I hit 'get mail'. (Forcing it to check the server, and notice the mail is read. I do IMAP exclusively.)

Re: Thunderbird 3 released

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Post by teilo »

moo wrote: post #42

Lightning calendar add-on is not compatible.

The nightly for the 1.0 branch is compatible, and fairly stable. I have been using it for months with TBird 3 pre-releases, and am using it in 3.0 right now.

Re: Thunderbird 3 released

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Post by teilo »

vito wrote: post #19

Just tried it here, I normally use Mail.app. First impressions were "oh, this isn't so bad," but then I started using it. It feels very janky, the interface is a bit disfunctional (going to File > New Folder gave absolutely no visual feedback as to where it put it, and if you have the filters window open and make a new folder you have to close and reopen the filters window for it to notice the new folder). The one th…

We use Zimbra Community Edition at my company.

I like Mail, but I switched from Mail to Thunderbird a while back because, quite frankly, Mail's IMAP support stinks. It is just not very robust. Moderately sized mailboxes lose sync with the server, causing duplicate messages and related issues.

Second problem: iCal sucks for corporate scheduling. Setting up attendees, and viewing free-busy time is ridiculously complicated. Anyone who has used Outlook/Entourage laughs at iCal. Lightning/Sunbird, however, is wonderful. Fully supports CalDAV and the Free/Busy extensions.

I manage about two dozen Macs here and have had this issue repeatedly against a Zimbra backend. I have a few users on Thunderbird 3.0 betas, and those problems just disappeared. Once Lightning 1.0 comes out, I will be forcing everyone to switch to Thunderbird/Lightning on both Mac and Windows.

The Zindus extension for Thunderbird syncs Gmail Contacts and the Zimbra Global Address List to Thunderbird. Lacking this, LDAP search works great against Zimbra.

The resulting solution: Zimbra / Thunderbird / Lightning / Zindus is, as far as I'm concerned, an Outlook/Exchange killer for small to medium sized companies.

Re: Thunderbird 3 released

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Post by 83457 »

I've been using the CuteBird theme for a couple years which mimics the Apple mail client design. Now that I have upgraded to TB3 the theme is no longer compatible and the default theme, even with the improvements, just looks bad.

Re: Thunderbird 3 released

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Post by Frazzydee »

mikedouglas wrote: post #31
aw3c2 wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You having the full control over your data. Do you really not backup your mails? Do you consider them not important or do you glorify your provider? I highly recommend making your own backups for anything you consider worth saving.

Just because I have control, doesn't mean the data is safer. It's the practical realization that Google is likely to have a more recent, redundant backup of my data than me. The amount of effort to ensure that P(losing my backup) < P(google losing a backup) isn't worth the effort except for a few very important pieces of data.

If you keep your mail on the server and download it using your client, then P(losing your backup & google losing the files) is much smaller than either one of those probabilities.

Re: Thunderbird 3 released

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Post by sounddust »

arantius wrote: post #52
sounddust wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I downloaded it and tried it, and unfortunately it has the same two problems that I hate about version 2: 1) There is no option to say "reply using the same 'from' address that the mail was sent to." This means that you either have to set up an "identity" for every possible e-mail address you use, or you have to reveal your "main" identity to anyone who sends you an e-mail (and possibly confuse them in the process).…

> 1) There is no option to say "reply using the same 'from' address that the mail was sent to." .. Used and loved this extension to solve that for some time: https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/thunderbird/addon/594 > 2) ... the status icon/indicator will get permanently stuck in "new mail" mode and you have to restart the app to get it to disappear. Rarely seen similar behavior in TB2 (no upgrade yet). Goes away when I…

Re #1: Thanks very much for the link!

Re #2: Mine never goes away once the bug occurs, no matter what I do or click. If I have TB open for a month, the mail icon will be there for a month, even after deleting and recreating my account! This bug occurs with every computer I own. Also, the "Inbox" stays in bold (as if there were new messages) permanently until restart. It's been that way for years, and doesn't seem it will ever be fixed.

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