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Here is a fairly detailed rundown of the situation: http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/wonkblog/wp/2015/07/05/7...
I do not think that they are correct.
Fairplay to them, the whole point of the EU project was to make us all "Europeans" and to prevent constant disastrous fighting between states and people of the continent. Sometime in the last 10 years many people and the media in the "core" countries got all smug and uppity towards those lazy "peripherals" and so on forgetting exactly why the project was started, overnight we stopped being "Europeans" and became "und…
Milton Friedman, The Times, November 19, 1997
Earlier quoted context omitted.
By leaving the Euro Greece will have the opportunity to put their country back together without 20 years of crippling austerity. They still need to fix their broken tax system and keep spending with their means but they have a much better chance of doing this on their own terms rather than under the cosh of the Troika. If only other countries could be so brave.
What is the difference between "crippling austerity" and "keeping spending within their means"? Isn't the biggest financial problem in Greece the relative enormity of the public sector? Wouldn't fiscal reform basically amount to slashing entitlements and public sector employment?
Greece is not just insolvent, it's also practically a failed state.
Here is Bloomberg animation for european debt crisis: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C8xAXJx9WJ8 I kept this in my bookmarks more than a year. Euro is failed project by its core because monetary policy without fiscal polity doesn't work.
It is a widespread knowledge (at least the US has it), that forceful saving in a crisis, will deepen the crisis.
As a German, I know that Germany got a dept-cut after the second World war, that the German nation could rise from misery. We should have allowed the Greek the same luxury.
Instead, the governments cared only for the banks.
I am astouned by all the comments, who say that "Greeks were getting a shitty deal" or that the bailout terms were somewhat "unfair". Facts are: Greece had a spending deficit for several decades now. This spending deficit accumulated to such a big dept, that no investors were willing to lend greece any more money. 18 european countries transferred billions of euros in the last couple of years to greece, to help the c…
There are reports from the IMF and many other leading figures that now say austerity has had more of a negative impact than once thought. Greece has been cutting its spending or else it wouldn't have been given more money, as per the terms of the bail out. The effects of those cuts have been mediocre and, in fairness, harmful.
http://www.theguardian.com/business/2014/feb/26/imf-inequali... http://www.theguardian.com/business/2015/jun/15/focus-on-low... http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/wonkblog/wp/2012/10/12/i... http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/wonkblog/wp/2013/04/18/a... http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-22223190 http://www.bloomberg.com/bw/articles/2013-04-18/faq-reinhart...
I am astouned by all the comments, who say that "Greeks were getting a shitty deal" or that the bailout terms were somewhat "unfair". Facts are: Greece had a spending deficit for several decades now. This spending deficit accumulated to such a big dept, that no investors were willing to lend greece any more money. 18 european countries transferred billions of euros in the last couple of years to greece, to help the c…
The fact that you are convinced that Germany acted in Greece's best interest is what sets us apart. Your money went mainly to your Banks, via Greece. Concluding, I'd rather go back to the Drachma and blow the Euro project than die starving becuase it suits your country's political class. ps. Even if Greece doesn't put the last nail on the coffin of the EU-project, I'm 100% sure that the UK will.
These bailouts in the past were signed from the greece government in the best interest of its people. A lot of people make it seem that we (non-greece european) somewhat forced theses agreements onto greece. In fact these bailouts where were unpopular in Germany, because it cost us a lot of our money, we could have spent on infrastructure, education, etc.
Therefore I would love Greece to give up the Euro currency and leave the European Union, so that these other 18 countries don't feel any obligation anymore to transfer more money to greece.
I believe that Europe will be stronger that way. Because a vision of a truly united European Union can only be reached if all countries play by the same rules and abide to their agreements.
I am astouned by all the comments, who say that "Greeks were getting a shitty deal" or that the bailout terms were somewhat "unfair". Facts are: Greece had a spending deficit for several decades now. This spending deficit accumulated to such a big dept, that no investors were willing to lend greece any more money. 18 european countries transferred billions of euros in the last couple of years to greece, to help the c…
The fact that you are convinced that Germany acted in Greece's best interest is what sets us apart. Your money went mainly to your Banks, via Greece. Concluding, I'd rather go back to the Drachma and blow the Euro project than die starving becuase it suits your country's political class. ps. Even if Greece doesn't put the last nail on the coffin of the EU-project, I'm 100% sure that the UK will.
This kind of schadenfreude against EU/EZ/Germany is very common in greece this week. In a few months, nobody will want to admit they voted for "no".