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Re: In Turnabout, Disney Cancels Tech Worker Layoffs

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Post by bsder » Wed, Jun 17, 2015, 11:13 PM UTC

kansface wrote: post #27

bsder wrote: post #14

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The solution is for H1-B workers to auto-convert to a green card after 12 months. Period. The company has 12 months to complete a security check and has to fund it itself. Now, if the company really needs a worker brought in on an H1-B, they will be very happy and the H1-B queue will continuously clear itself. However, if all they want is an indentured servant, that will get quashed when the green card arrives. Every…

Won't companies just fire the H1-Bs before the year is up and keep the treadmill rolling?

Sure, but those companies will get spotted and the H1-B applicants won't work for them. It's easy to hide that you're an H1-B sweatshop and blame the government when you don't have to answer anything for 5+ years. It's not so easy to hide when 12 months is your limit.

People want to be part of the H1-B program so that they can get out of it--either by green card or by going back to their native country with training that makes them more profitable back there.

Re: In Turnabout, Disney Cancels Tech Worker Layoffs

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Post by daurnimator » Wed, Jun 17, 2015, 11:35 PM UTC

mahyarm wrote: post #19

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You can get it back when you turn 65.

No you cannot, unless you have been paying into the system for 10 years. If you have, then you probably have a green card by then. If not, you should get one anyway since you've spent a decade of your life in the country that your pretty much american by that point. Legally and paying a lot of taxes. You would never get medicare treatment as only an H1-B worker, since if your unemployed, you cannot stay in the countr…

> No you cannot, unless you have been paying into the system for 10 years.

Ah yeah;

But IIRC, there are some reciprocating treaties that let me get my money out?

This mentions that for australians it is reduced to 18 months: https://www.dss.gov.au/about-the-department/international/in...

Re: In Turnabout, Disney Cancels Tech Worker Layoffs

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Post by saool » Thu, Jun 18, 2015, 3:31 AM UTC

protomyth wrote: post #37

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Unless you are tarring ships, you mean paid, not payed. As an H1-B holder you have to jump through many hoops, including constant attention to your command of the language. How does it feel to be judged? :) More importantly, why would you expect more from a foreign applicant that from a local? The point is there shouldn't be discrimination, in either way. H1-Bs are for specialty occupations that are in high demand to…

> Unless you are tarring ships, you mean paid, not payed. > As an H1-B holder you have to jump through many hoops, including constant attention to your command of the language. How does it feel to be judged? :) I never brought up language issues, that is your hang-up and a distraction from my point. Further, if you think everyone isn't judged, then you are just loopy. > More importantly, why would you expect more fro…

Your whole premise is, and I quote, "H1B is supposed to have skills that the local workers don't and thus should be worth the extra money."

That's false. I think you are mistaken about what an H1-B visa is: it's a temporary, non-immigrant visa that allows people with specialty occupations (and thus in high demand) to work for 6 years in the States.

The skill condition (as determined by a LCA application) to get one is not that you should have extraordinary skills the locals don't (That would be an O-1 visa, or an EB-1), but rather that you have the skills and the degree, and that your employer is willing to compensate you as well as they would compensate a local.

If you don't believe me, here's a link to USCIS: http://www.uscis.gov/eir/visa-guide/h-1b-specialty-occupatio...

I won't deny that there's abuse by big corporations using H1-Bs to hire people that look like seniors but are really junior in skill, but it's cause they skirt the law and have gotten away with it so far. I see no sanctions to Infosys or Tata for selling people with say, Junior Engineer skill as Seniors, but what I see lots of hate towards the H1-B workers. If Disney fired the senior IT guys and replaced them with recent graduates, told them to train them, it would be the exact same situation, only we wouldn't be hearing "they took our jobs".

So as with everything in this country, the suits fuck the little guy over and the little guy blames the neighbor.

Re: In Turnabout, Disney Cancels Tech Worker Layoffs

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Post by protomyth » Thu, Jun 18, 2015, 2:00 PM UTC

saool wrote: post #53

protomyth wrote: post #37

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> Unless you are tarring ships, you mean paid, not payed. > As an H1-B holder you have to jump through many hoops, including constant attention to your command of the language. How does it feel to be judged? :) I never brought up language issues, that is your hang-up and a distraction from my point. Further, if you think everyone isn't judged, then you are just loopy. > More importantly, why would you expect more fro…

Your whole premise is, and I quote, "H1B is supposed to have skills that the local workers don't and thus should be worth the extra money." That's false. I think you are mistaken about what an H1-B visa is: it's a temporary, non-immigrant visa that allows people with specialty occupations (and thus in high demand) to work for 6 years in the States. The skill condition (as determined by a LCA application) to get one i…

"That's false. I think you are mistaken about what an H1-B visa is:"

No, you do not understand the H-1B http://www.dol.gov/whd/immigration/h1b.htm

"The intent of the H-1B provisions is to help employers who cannot otherwise obtain needed business skills and abilities from the U.S. workforce by authorizing the temporary employment of qualified individuals who are not otherwise authorized to work in the United States."

You looked at only the foreign worker part and not the American company part.