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“Swift will be open source later this year”

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Re: “Swift will be open source later this year”

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Post by yjgyhj »

People who talk about swift compare it to Rust and Go. I can see how the syntax is to ObjC what Go is to C++. Else but that, in what way is Swift anything like Go or Rust?

To me (someone who does Lisp & JS, so none of these all) go seems cool for concurrency and being 'boring' (in a great way). Rust seems cool for being very robust and 'safe' (or hard to screw up with), while still doing concurrency nicely and letting you code in high and low level.

Is there any ways that Swift is more than ObjC without [[[[all] the] square] brackets]? (nothing wrong with that, if you're not into square brackets)

Re: “Swift will be open source later this year”

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Post by BrainInAJar »

apayan wrote: post #35
coldtea wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As far as HN comments go, this one sets a pretty low bar. Is there even one doubt that this will happen? If not, the pedantic distinction between "announce they intend to" and "doing it" is extremely worthless...

Apple also said they would make FaceTime an open and interoperable protocol "later this year". So being sceptical of Apple's promises of openness are justified.

it's only June.

Re: “Swift will be open source later this year”

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Post by LesZedCB »

chc wrote: post #17
LesZedCB wrote: post #6

I remember a thread on HN [1] from a few months ago talking about how apple was never going to do this. I'm so glad they were able to pull it off! Good for you, Apple! [1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=8488808

They haven't pulled it off yet. They've just finally stated that they intend to do so , not actually done it yet. Prior to this, they hadn't even said it was on the table. So, progress, but they still haven't pulled it off.

Yeah, but calling it in the keynote is a pretty hard thing to back off from. I don't think they will. Hopefully it'll stay on schedule though!

Re: “Swift will be open source later this year”

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Post by Alphasite_ »

bryanlarsen wrote: post #36
coldtea wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As far as HN comments go, this one sets a pretty low bar. Is there even one doubt that this will happen? If not, the pedantic distinction between "announce they intend to" and "doing it" is extremely worthless...

We've been waiting ~5 years for the facetime open standard, so yes, there is some doubt.

Lawsuits tend to put a dampener on things, so there is that.

Re: “Swift will be open source later this year”

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Post by coldtea »

bryanlarsen wrote: post #36
coldtea wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As far as HN comments go, this one sets a pretty low bar. Is there even one doubt that this will happen? If not, the pedantic distinction between "announce they intend to" and "doing it" is extremely worthless...

We've been waiting ~5 years for the facetime open standard, so yes, there is some doubt.

Facetime faced a patent lawsuit, and Apple had to change how it operated (to have it relay through its serves), making not that great as a direct communication standard.

Re: “Swift will be open source later this year”

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Post by shmerl »

sondr3 wrote: post #5

Well whaddaya know, I like the direction this is going with both Apple and Microsoft.

I'll second that when Apple and MS will support Vulkan on their OSes and open codecs in their browsers. Or to put it another way, when they'll stop using sickening lock-in to make life harder for everyone.

Re: “Swift will be open source later this year”

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Post by Redoubts »

TillE wrote: post #33
gtrubetskoy wrote: post #8

This places Swift right along Golang and Rust as the new interesting language.

I think Rust fills a slightly different niche with its safety-first principle, but Swift should eventually be a really attractive choice for anyone building cross-platform stuff that also needs to run on iOS.

I don't think any of those languages overlap much, but they all have interesting aspects.
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