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Re: I'm a liberal professor, and my liberal students terrify me

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Post by skissane » Thu, Jun 04, 2015, 10:26 PM UTC

morpheous wrote: post #44

skissane wrote: post #36

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I just asked my partner if this ever happened to her. She told me that it did once, but it was a female colleague who did it to her, not a man. I asked her if a man ever did it to her, she said she couldn't remember that ever occurring.

Drawing conclusions from a sample size of 1. Never a good practise

I didn't draw any conclusions, I just shared my partner's experiences without any further comment.

I don't doubt some women have had the experience BlackAura is referring to. But I don't believe it is universal either, since my partner does not report having that experience. As to what percentage of women have experienced this: I don't know, and no one in this conversation has produced an answer to that question.

Re: I'm a liberal professor, and my liberal students terrify me

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Post by NTDF9 » Thu, Jun 04, 2015, 11:47 PM UTC

norea-armozel wrote: post #50

NTDF9 wrote: post #45

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>> So do you think calling Caitlyn Jenner by her current name is PC? The expectation that every single individual knows everything about her history and should call her by her first name (instead of who she is best identified with...a transgender) is PC. In return, I'd ask you this. Why do you think I'm insulting her by calling her a transgender? I'm genuinely saying this in a respectful way. It is you who thinks tha…

She is a transgender woman. So you'd use her, hers, and herself. It's not that hard and it's not political.

Not one time have I called her a "him" or an "it". I have been respectful and treated her like I would treat any other category of humans.

People should stop trying to enforce something that does not seem to be a problem. Use that energy on things that are real problems.

Re: I'm a liberal professor, and my liberal students terrify me

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Post by smallworld » Fri, Jun 05, 2015, 2:53 AM UTC

skissane wrote: post #51

morpheous wrote: post #44

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Drawing conclusions from a sample size of 1. Never a good practise

I didn't draw any conclusions, I just shared my partner's experiences without any further comment. I don't doubt some women have had the experience BlackAura is referring to. But I don't believe it is universal either, since my partner does not report having that experience. As to what percentage of women have experienced this: I don't know, and no one in this conversation has produced an answer to that question.

The fact that your partner does not report having that experience does not literally mean that she has not had that experience. There are several possible reasons for this, and I do not want you to think I am passing judgement, but your statement is not convincing on its own.

I have watched this happen to women who were oblivious - who behave as though men stealing women's ideas is the proper way of reality, and yet they will loudly voice an objection when a woman does the same.

Re: I'm a liberal professor, and my liberal students terrify me

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Post by skissane » Fri, Jun 05, 2015, 11:26 AM UTC

smallworld wrote: post #53

skissane wrote: post #51

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I didn't draw any conclusions, I just shared my partner's experiences without any further comment. I don't doubt some women have had the experience BlackAura is referring to. But I don't believe it is universal either, since my partner does not report having that experience. As to what percentage of women have experienced this: I don't know, and no one in this conversation has produced an answer to that question.

The fact that your partner does not report having that experience does not literally mean that she has not had that experience. There are several possible reasons for this, and I do not want you to think I am passing judgement, but your statement is not convincing on its own. I have watched this happen to women who were oblivious - who behave as though men stealing women's ideas is the proper way of reality, and yet…

I shared with her your theory, and she does not believe it is true in her case. I don't doubt that it happened in the cases you observed, but that gives me no reason to doubt her statement that it didn't happen to her. I wasn't there for the vast majority of her working life, you weren't there for any of it, she was - I think she is a much more of an authority on her own life experiences than you or I are. And, who should I believe: you, or the mother of my son?

Re: I'm a liberal professor, and my liberal students terrify me

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Post by norea-armozel » Fri, Jun 05, 2015, 12:56 PM UTC

NTDF9 wrote: post #52

norea-armozel wrote: post #50

Earlier quoted context omitted.

She is a transgender woman. So you'd use her, hers, and herself. It's not that hard and it's not political.

Not one time have I called her a "him" or an "it". I have been respectful and treated her like I would treat any other category of humans. People should stop trying to enforce something that does not seem to be a problem. Use that energy on things that are real problems.

Trust me, misgendering is a big problem in itself due to the violence that often accompanies it. It make rub you the wrong way when people tell jerks to not calling Caitlyn Bruce or to call her a her and not a him. But this is all part of getting through thick heads that gender identity of one person is not theirs to decide.

Re: I'm a liberal professor, and my liberal students terrify me

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Post by DanBC » Fri, Jun 05, 2015, 1:08 PM UTC

michaelbuddy wrote: post #24

BlackAura wrote: post #18

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So the university being paranoid about being sued is the students' fault? > being silenced Nobody is being silenced by the students. What the students want is for professors to stop being assholes towards anyone that's not just like them, and are (correctly) pointing out various kinds of systemic bias, subjective opinions masquerading as objectivity, and instances where you have material that is disturbing or emotion…

If anyone wants to get inside a liberal's mind, you got one right here, BlackAura I'd bet money you are. Weasel words are present and everything. The young liberal-speak of concepts of 'systemic bias' and 'societal pandering' and of course the students as victims who 'have no choice' but to complain Everyone is going to have an example of some bad professor. But if you're in college seeing a systemic bias, you've gon…

Your insulting tone is unhelpful and it is disappointing that you didn't get downvotes for it.

> You've got the SJW bug for sure

Clear violation of HN guidelines.

Re: I'm a liberal professor, and my liberal students terrify me

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Post by dagw » Fri, Jun 05, 2015, 1:19 PM UTC

A_COMPUTER wrote: post #23

rcxdude wrote: post #13

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>In a primal sense, trolling online is akin to purposefully challenging a person's worldview through their feelings, using drastic / hyperbolic / inflammatory rhetoric. No, The definition of trolling is attempting to get a reaction out of people by any means possible. Trolls aren't interested in having an actual conversation, educating, or changing anyone's view, in fact they thrive off of the opposite.

Is it trolling if you pick your targets ideologically and say what you mean? We need a new word, because trolling does seem to capture the method and the spirit, but not the goals.

Is it trolling if you pick your targets ideologically and say what you mean?

Depends very much on your intended and hoped for outcome for doing this? A genuine discussion and a meeting of minds or to laugh at the ignorant sheeple? If you find that you're getting more of the latter than the former, do you double down or change your approach?