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Re: AMD Launches Carrizo

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VP9 was always going to be dead in the water. There are just too many influential companies part of the MPEG-LA to compete with. With Netflix, Amazon and Apple moving to HVEC and the PS/XBox refresh rumored to have HVEC support there is simply too much content: legal and illegal to bother with adding VP9 support. Plus is anyone expecting a lot of YouTube 4K content ?

>VP9 was always going to be dead in the water. What? Youtube has >70% of the online video market, and primarily uses VP9 [0]. To be fair, VP9 isnt commonly used outside of google, but to discount the market leader in online video as "dead" is disingenuous at best. [0] http://www.statista.com/statistics/266201/us-market-share-of...

YouTube doesn't primarly use VP9. It uses H.264 on iOS, Safari, IE, Flash, Consoles, TVs and a lot of Android devices. Those combined are a sizeable amount of traffic.

And I would argue that the driver of higher end content e.g. 1080p, 4K is not going to come from YouTube but from Netflix, Amazon, Apple and illegal content which a lot of people watch on consoles.

Nothing has fundamentally changed to see this being anything other than a repeat of what happened with H.264/VP9.

Re: AMD Launches Carrizo

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>VP9 was always going to be dead in the water. What? Youtube has >70% of the online video market, and primarily uses VP9 [0]. To be fair, VP9 isnt commonly used outside of google, but to discount the market leader in online video as "dead" is disingenuous at best. [0] http://www.statista.com/statistics/266201/us-market-share-of...

YouTube doesn't primarly use VP9. It uses H.264 on iOS, Safari, IE, Flash, Consoles, TVs and a lot of Android devices. Those combined are a sizeable amount of traffic. And I would argue that the driver of higher end content e.g. 1080p, 4K is not going to come from YouTube but from Netflix, Amazon, Apple and illegal content which a lot of people watch on consoles. Nothing has fundamentally changed to see this being an…

You're right, it is more complicated than I assumed. I use Chrome/Linux where nearly 100% of videos are served VP9. According to this [0] 61-69% of browsers support VP9, but I cant find a good source as to what percentage of youtube is actually served with VP9.

However, in the last year 25,000,000,000 hours of VP9 video have been served on youtube [1]. Maybe this is a minority of web video, but its hardly dead.

[0] http://caniuse.com/#search=vp9

[1] http://youtube-eng.blogspot.com/2015/04/vp9-faster-better-bu...

Re: AMD Launches Carrizo

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post #49

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>VP9 was always going to be dead in the water. What? Youtube has >70% of the online video market, and primarily uses VP9 [0]. To be fair, VP9 isnt commonly used outside of google, but to discount the market leader in online video as "dead" is disingenuous at best. [0] http://www.statista.com/statistics/266201/us-market-share-of...

YouTube doesn't primarly use VP9. It uses H.264 on iOS, Safari, IE, Flash, Consoles, TVs and a lot of Android devices. Those combined are a sizeable amount of traffic. And I would argue that the driver of higher end content e.g. 1080p, 4K is not going to come from YouTube but from Netflix, Amazon, Apple and illegal content which a lot of people watch on consoles. Nothing has fundamentally changed to see this being an…

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Re: AMD Launches Carrizo

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> AMD Secure Processor Can anyone explain how this works and why should a user want it? It seems like a DRM on your device.

You could use it for DRM, yes, but that's not the sole use. The point is to put cryptographic keys and secret information somewhere out of direct reach of the CPU, to keep it more secure. An an example: Apple's iPhone stores all fingerprint data exclusively in its secure module.

Re: AMD Launches Carrizo

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> AMD Secure Processor Can anyone explain how this works and why should a user want it? It seems like a DRM on your device.

You could use it for DRM, yes, but that's not the sole use. The point is to put cryptographic keys and secret information somewhere out of direct reach of the CPU, to keep it more secure. An an example: Apple's iPhone stores all fingerprint data exclusively in its secure module.

Somebody other than the user to put it there. Because if user puts it there, he can read it too. Or is there something I don't understand?

Re: AMD Launches Carrizo

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You could use it for DRM, yes, but that's not the sole use. The point is to put cryptographic keys and secret information somewhere out of direct reach of the CPU, to keep it more secure. An an example: Apple's iPhone stores all fingerprint data exclusively in its secure module.

Somebody other than the user to put it there. Because if user puts it there, he can read it too. Or is there something I don't understand?

No, it's write-only. You can ask "does this fingerprint match the one I stored earlier?", but you can't read out the original fingerprint.

Re: AMD Launches Carrizo

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It looks like AMD is skipping 20/22: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zen_(microarchitecture) http://www.pcgamer.com/amds-next-gen-zen-cpu-due-in-2016/ Seems like the next chip after Carrizo is targeted at 14nm fin-something. Which, if it pans out, would put Intel & AMD on the same node for the first time in a while. Supposedly Intel's first 10nm part isn't due until 2017: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Skylake_%28microarc…

The issue with TSMC/GF "16/14 nm" is that not all important features have been brought down to that level, so the actual shrink is less pronounced than usual. Furthermore, Intel's FinFET's are likely to be more mature than the competition, so I'd be wary of calling the two nodes equivalent. Close, certainly closer than the past, but Intel might retain its lead a bit longer.

nm has been rather misleading for past few generations, Intel is just as guilty as other fabs.

Not everything gets shrunk in modern die shrinks.

What my limited understanding is that transistors might be getting shrunk but wiring connecting transistors is not getting shrunk it is still at some larger number (65nm?)

Re: AMD Launches Carrizo

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You could use it for DRM, yes, but that's not the sole use. The point is to put cryptographic keys and secret information somewhere out of direct reach of the CPU, to keep it more secure. An an example: Apple's iPhone stores all fingerprint data exclusively in its secure module.

Somebody other than the user to put it there. Because if user puts it there, he can read it too. Or is there something I don't understand?

> Somebody other than the user to put it there.

No, the user can install software on the chip.

> Because if user puts it there, he can read it too.

Not all communications links are two-way.

Re: AMD Launches Carrizo

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And so does CUDA, which usually out-performs OpenCL, plus the tooling for CUDA is just so much better with the Visual Studio integration.

Yes, but CUDA is Nvidia only - another trick in their anti-competitive bag. I always get disappointed when I see something that CUDA specific. "Hey that's interesting machine learning package! Oh wait, that's Nvidia specific." With OpenCL, you can develop on laptop, test on workstation and deploy on actual servers. With CUDA, you're trapped.

Well I'm developing on a laptop with GTX 860M so I can still develop on a laptop, test on a workstation (GTX 970) and deploy to actual servers (Tesla)

Re: AMD Launches Carrizo

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I wonder if stagnating CPU requirements might make AMD competitive again. I have a 4 year old i5 laptop that can handle 100% of general office/home use. Battery life and gaming are the only two weak points. AMD aren't going to compete with Intel on battery life but with overall cpu/gpu power consumption falling it's not as big of a problem as it used to be. Wish they weren't stuck on 28nm still. It seems like Intel w…

CPU perf requirements may be stagnating, but perf/watt definitely isn't. And it seems very unlikely for AMD to ever be competitive on that front.

That being said, that is exactly what Carrizo is about.
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