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Re: IRS says thieves stole tax info from 100,000

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If this were a company, the headline would have been "IRS hacked; tax information stolen from 100,000." Instead the IRS was able to spin it to The Washington Post. The headline is "thieves stole tax info." Thieves!

The real headline is that the IRS is hackable.

Re: IRS says thieves stole tax info from 100,000

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post #51

If this were a company, the headline would have been "IRS hacked; tax information stolen from 100,000." Instead the IRS was able to spin it to The Washington Post. The headline is "thieves stole tax info." Thieves! The real headline is that the IRS is hackable.

> Instead the IRS was able to spin it to The Washington Post. The headline is "thieves stole tax info." Thieves!

They spun it even better than that. The headline is "thieves stole tax info from 100,000 people" (i.e. not from the IRS, but from the people themselves)

Re: IRS says thieves stole tax info from 100,000

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

USPS is rumored to be working on such a system actually. http://securekey.com/press-releases/securekey-technologies-w... SecureKey IIRC is used by Canada. USPS is in a unique position in that they have a ton of employees literally who can verify mailing addresses by brute force. Every day (except holidays). Rain, Snow or shine. Having USPS in charge of the US's future "online identity" would be a good way of transfor…

This is/should be the main offering of the USPS - secure identity location verification. It's too bad their hands are so tied by Congress (and a malicious one at that - having to pay pension fund 75 years early)... they might have made this move a decade or so earlier.

...isn't that 75 year thing incorrect?

http://www.cnbc.com/id/45018432

Re: IRS says thieves stole tax info from 100,000

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I started "working" a few hours a week teaching programming at my kids' school. When they put me on the payroll I was astounded by the number of forms I had to fill out. I counted 15 forms requiring my signature, no less than 5 of which required my SSN. Lo and behold, there was a data breach of employee and volunteer records. Volunteers had to have background checks, which required the SSN. Thousands of people had th…

You can look at it from the other side too, maybe Americans are putting too much weight on the SSN. I could practically post my Spanish ID number next to my name online and nothing would probably happen. As a matter of fact, a stupid regional government agency posted it next to my name in 2011 and it's been up ever since.

Re: IRS says thieves stole tax info from 100,000

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post #43

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Just a talking point--empirically that's not true.

> empirically that's not true Feel like expanding that point? I mean shrinking government and changing society so people depend on it less is literally part of the national GOP platform. Is your argument just that they're not willing to sabotage things for political advantage? (and, if so, how are we to explain the billions spent shutting down the federal government as a negotiating tactic?)

Let's see the drug war, DHS, military, NSA, no child left behind--just to name a few. The gov increased under Reagan despite what conservatives will tell you. The GOP has been part of massive increases in gov. Why would someone in political power ever be for downsizing gov, save a few outliers? It's just pandering to the base.

A short-term sabotage is not out of the question.

Actually, I have a graph showing how gov actually increases more under GOP control than democrats. Hold on.

Re: IRS says thieves stole tax info from 100,000

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I believe that this actually happened to me -- which tells me the 100,000 number is way too low. To be more precise: when we went to electronically file our 2014 return, it was rejected because our return had already been filed (not by us, of course). I (like 80+ million others) am a victim of the Anthem breach, and I have assumed that my fraudulent return was part of that breach. (Regardless, I have opted into the i…

It's in the second paragraph of the article. They used a Get Transcript web form to get your prior year tax form from the info they had from the Anthem breach.

Re: IRS says thieves stole tax info from 100,000

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post #43

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Just a talking point--empirically that's not true.

> empirically that's not true Feel like expanding that point? I mean shrinking government and changing society so people depend on it less is literally part of the national GOP platform. Is your argument just that they're not willing to sabotage things for political advantage? (and, if so, how are we to explain the billions spent shutting down the federal government as a negotiating tactic?)

https://mises.org/library/republicans-and-big-government

Re: IRS says thieves stole tax info from 100,000

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This happened to a few people I work with. 100k seems low. They found out by the IRS rejecting their return as they had "already filed". You'd think we'd have a better system by now than a short-ish unique number which never changes during your lifetime as the key for much of your financial / credit-related authorization.

USPS is rumored to be working on such a system actually. http://securekey.com/press-releases/securekey-technologies-w... SecureKey IIRC is used by Canada. USPS is in a unique position in that they have a ton of employees literally who can verify mailing addresses by brute force. Every day (except holidays). Rain, Snow or shine. Having USPS in charge of the US's future "online identity" would be a good way of transfor…

I believe that verifying and vouching for the identity of it's citizens is one of the legitimate roles of government. I find it odd that we can have government issued social security numbers, passports, and driver's licenses, but I can't go to some office and have the US government sign my public key or SSL certificate. For some reason, if it's electronic, government is expected to defer to the free market.

Re: IRS says thieves stole tax info from 100,000

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post #43

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> empirically that's not true Feel like expanding that point? I mean shrinking government and changing society so people depend on it less is literally part of the national GOP platform. Is your argument just that they're not willing to sabotage things for political advantage? (and, if so, how are we to explain the billions spent shutting down the federal government as a negotiating tactic?)

literally part of the national GOP platform So you really think whatever they tell you is true? The GOP has not actually shrunk the government. Even when they had full control over the senate, house, and the presidency, they did not shrink the government... in fact, they made it bigger.

Lately they have cut things – the sequester was real and will be causing damage for decades[1] – but generally in the least productive ways possible. That gives them something to point at while still leaving plenty to rant about and, of course, more chances to grandstand over self-created problems like backlogs at the IRS, VA, etc. I'm sure we're going to hear plenty about this security breach and nobody will mention that the federal pay scale tops out below what the average infosec professional makes or that agencies have been begging for funding to improve their IT staff for years.

1. Most young scientists are leaving research due to budget cuts at NIH, NSF, NASA, etc. They're unlikely to ever come back so we've lost a large chunk of an entire generation of research in most fields. Sure, many of them are going to industry but I would submit that a crop of data scientists selling ads is less productive for the country long-term than all of the foundational pure research which industry rarely funds.

Re: IRS says thieves stole tax info from 100,000

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

The poster above is saying that it's part of the GOP's political agenda that's marketed to voters, rather than necessarily what they do once they're in office.

No he's not. It's called a "thread". He's replying to a post that says "Just a talking point--empirically that's not true." and he's saying it's more than a talking point because it's in the GOP platform.

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