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Evidence of Advantages for Children of Working Mothers

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Re: Evidence of Advantages for Children of Working Mothers

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" ...working with them on crawling, walking, talking and... This amuses me. With things like that (crawling/walking/talking) I let my kid find his own way, in his own time. I have no intention of helping him with anything like it, or from school, ever - unless he asks . What I do do with my son is play. Building radio control cars. Jumping on car hoods/bonnets in a scrapyard. Lego. Jumping in puddles. Flying kites. M…

We basically said the same thing but you seem to be focused on my statements regarding helping them with academics. I wonder though - when your son says, "I catched the ball" do you purposely not correct him because that's the school's job? Everything you listed under your play I've done with my three kids with the exception of jumping on hoods in a scrapyard. I could add endlessly to the list including stop motion a…

> I wonder though - when your son says, "I catched the ball" do you purposely not correct him because that's the school's job?

Not thread parent, but parent nonetheless :) I'd say the ideal response would be ignoring that error but instead replying with "I caught the ball" in an appropriate situation. Kids learn languages by example, all we have to do is give good examples. Correcting "catched/ caught" puts focus on the error, not on the dozens of cases where grammar was fine. If done too often (e.g. not what you described), that can actually impede learning, as the kid could develop a self-perception of being constantly wrong.

In general the pedagogical ideal is creating a setting where learning can take place by itself. The role of the teacher is reduced to designing the setting. Your ball game example can be seen as such a setting: You two are just having fun together and talk about that, and the desired learning of the language just emerges out of the situation.

(I'm an eduactional scientist, so maybe at risk of over-theorizing trivial examples :) )

Re: Evidence of Advantages for Children of Working Mothers

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Take this personal anecdote for what it is worth. My office used to be next door to a childcare centre looking after around 40 children. I was able to watch what happened throughout the day and what the staff and children did. After a few months I swore no matter what the financial cost I would not let my children ever end up in childcare.

For me, not using childcare == not working, which means I'd probably lose my home. I'm not sure that risk is worth it.

Re: Evidence of Advantages for Children of Working Mothers

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Take this personal anecdote for what it is worth. My office used to be next door to a childcare centre looking after around 40 children. I was able to watch what happened throughout the day and what the staff and children did. After a few months I swore no matter what the financial cost I would not let my children ever end up in childcare.

For me, not using childcare == not working, which means I'd probably lose my home. I'm not sure that risk is worth it.

Would you be homeless or just living in a less ideal home?

I am lucky to live in a country where my choice really is just a trade in the level of material comfort, but I understand this is not the same for everyone.

Re: Evidence of Advantages for Children of Working Mothers

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post #52

Earlier quoted context omitted.

For me, not using childcare == not working, which means I'd probably lose my home. I'm not sure that risk is worth it.

Would you be homeless or just living in a less ideal home? I am lucky to live in a country where my choice really is just a trade in the level of material comfort, but I understand this is not the same for everyone.

I would be homeless, first and foremost, because I wouldn't be able to pay my mortgage and the bank would seize my assets.

Eventually I would be eligible for state benefits and placed on a waiting list for a council owned property, but waiting lists are long. I might be able to get shelter in a women's refuge in the mean time, but I'm not sure that's an ideal place to raise my children just so that I can claim the moral high ground on childcare use.

Re: Evidence of Advantages for Children of Working Mothers

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post #54

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Would you be homeless or just living in a less ideal home? I am lucky to live in a country where my choice really is just a trade in the level of material comfort, but I understand this is not the same for everyone.

I would be homeless, first and foremost, because I wouldn't be able to pay my mortgage and the bank would seize my assets. Eventually I would be eligible for state benefits and placed on a waiting list for a council owned property, but waiting lists are long. I might be able to get shelter in a women's refuge in the mean time, but I'm not sure that's an ideal place to raise my children just so that I can claim the mo…

If you could not pay your mortgage could you not sell and rent privately?

Please don't take this as a critism of your decision - I made mine and I am happy with my choice, but I don't expect that what is best for me is best for everyone.

Re: Evidence of Advantages for Children of Working Mothers

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"In a new study of 50,000 adults in 25 countries, daughters of working mothers completed more years of education, were more likely to be employed and in supervisory roles and earned higher incomes" - TLDR, children will imitate what you do, not what you tell them to do. This is good for certain values of good (depending on how you define a 'good' adult). The title of the article (Mounting Evidence of Advantages for C…

How about we rephrase this. Daughters of those mothers that earn enough to make putting their children in childcare are more likely to earn more than mothers who's wages are too low to afford childcare. Phrased this way we come to the startling conclusion that the children of the middle class grow up to be middle class. I am shocked.

I think the study controlled for income, as stated:

>daughters of working mothers earned 23 percent more than daughters of stay-at-home mothers, after controlling for demographic factors

Re: Evidence of Advantages for Children of Working Mothers

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post #54

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I would be homeless, first and foremost, because I wouldn't be able to pay my mortgage and the bank would seize my assets. Eventually I would be eligible for state benefits and placed on a waiting list for a council owned property, but waiting lists are long. I might be able to get shelter in a women's refuge in the mean time, but I'm not sure that's an ideal place to raise my children just so that I can claim the mo…

If you could not pay your mortgage could you not sell and rent privately? Please don't take this as a critism of your decision - I made mine and I am happy with my choice, but I don't expect that what is best for me is best for everyone.

Private renting in my area (as with a lot of places in the UK) would be more costly than my current mortgage.

I didn't think you were criticising parents who use childcare, least of all me, but I do feel it's necessary for people to understand that the "I'm too good for daycare" argument comes from a position of massive privilege.

Re: Evidence of Advantages for Children of Working Mothers

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

How about we rephrase this. Daughters of those mothers that earn enough to make putting their children in childcare are more likely to earn more than mothers who's wages are too low to afford childcare. Phrased this way we come to the startling conclusion that the children of the middle class grow up to be middle class. I am shocked.

I think the study controlled for income, as stated: >daughters of working mothers earned 23 percent more than daughters of stay-at-home mothers, after controlling for demographic factors

Exactly how were these demographic factors controlled?

Re: Evidence of Advantages for Children of Working Mothers

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Are there any studies on working father's impact on children? (A quick google returns a few studies on father's impact but not working ones specifically.) Damned if you do, damned if you don't. If you work, you're a neglectful parent. If you don't, you're sucking off the state. (UK stereotypes) I have done the 3 main variants of parent-work balance (staying at home, working at home, working out of the home) with my 2…

To answer your first question there is little incentive to look into this question as no one with serious money wants to know the answer.

Which of the three options was best for you?

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