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China Turns to the Sea for Fresh Water

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Re: China Turns to the Sea for Fresh Water

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This seems to be a common fallacy: desal, which is being considered by a few wealthy urban water districts on the coast, will do absolutely nothing to alleviate overpumping by farmers in the Central Valley.

I think the goal would be to scale desalination efforts to the point where it can replace groundwater pumping statewide. This would come at a huge cost, sure, but once the groundwater runs out, the economics won't look so bad.

The largest desal plant I am aware of is in Saudi Arabia and produces about 830 acre-feet of water a day. Irrigation Central Valley averages 110,000 acre-feet a day, although there are significant seasonal differences. Let's (generously) pretend that you somehow had space in coastal California (not exactly something we have a lot of here, and certainly not cheaply) to build ~60 desalination plants, each double the size of the largest plant in existence. Let's completely ignore the multiple gigawatts of additional power you'd need to run these things. Let's pretend that you somehow convinced the Coastal Commission, EPA, DFG, Fish and Wildlife Service, and all the other relevant entities that intake and discharge from several dozen huge new desal plants dotting the coastline would not significantly impact the marine environment. (Ha.) Assuming all that were true, you would still need to pump roughly 40 million acre feet of water a year from the coast, towards the foothills, in the complete opposite direction which nature intended.

Never. Going. To. Happen.

Sorry to rain on your parade, but this blind, frequently uninformed faith that Technology will save us from anything and everything just gets annoying after a while.

Re: China Turns to the Sea for Fresh Water

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Why can't we just eat the salt?

A liter of seawater has 35 grams of salts in it (I looked it up: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seawater ). Compare that to the recommended daily intake of several grams of salt. It's also the case that most of the desalination methods produce concentrated brine instead of dry, clean salt (so extracting the salt would require further energy), but not needing that much of it is the bigger reason.

I didn't mean to drink it, I meant to turn it into table salt.

Seems like there ought to be some kind of further usage of it.. industrial or otherwise.

Re: China Turns to the Sea for Fresh Water

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

A liter of seawater has 35 grams of salts in it (I looked it up: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seawater ). Compare that to the recommended daily intake of several grams of salt. It's also the case that most of the desalination methods produce concentrated brine instead of dry, clean salt (so extracting the salt would require further energy), but not needing that much of it is the bigger reason.

I didn't mean to drink it, I meant to turn it into table salt. Seems like there ought to be some kind of further usage of it.. industrial or otherwise.

I got that. For every liter of seawater that is desalinated, there would be ~35 grams of table salt. On a given day a person might use 4 grams of salt.

Given typical water usage, you quickly have salt for an awful lot of people (salt for hundreds of people per person consuming the water).

I guess other users would be welcome, even if they just take it for free that probably saves the desal plant on disposal costs.

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