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Make Money Online: Documenting 10 Years of Failure

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Re: Make Money Online: Documenting 10 Years of Failure

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What I got out of the post was what happens to a person who spends a decade trying to make money instead of building value. I'm not trying to make a judgment call but the emptiness of it almost hurt to read.

I never looked at it like this but now that you pointed it out I tend to agree.

Re: Make Money Online: Documenting 10 Years of Failure

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I'm not sure I'd regard making 100's of thousands of dollars complete failure. Now, it's obvious that he made money in ways that aren't overly useful to society, and promoted products that were less than stellar in spammy ways, but just having the goal of "Making Money Online" I'd consider that money to be pretty dang successful. The fact that he blew it all after the fact just makes him bad with money. It doesn't me…

No, it is not utter failure but we can't know for sure how much did he really make after expenses and taxes i.e. net profits.

Re: Make Money Online: Documenting 10 Years of Failure

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Great article. I myself make a full time living online and have dealt with every single point that was made.

The main thing is on you great months you have at act as if you're still "broke" just because you have a great month doesn't mean the next one will be.

A few months ago I made a large sum but have only made chump change sense. If I had spent it all the day I got it, I'd be fked.

Re: Make Money Online: Documenting 10 Years of Failure

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I hate these picture gallery clickbaits sites on facebook. If you are visting mobile, almost every "next" click redirects you to some ad site and you "have to go back". And yes, I still click on them because i want to see funny/sexy stuff ;-) I will never understand though how people manage to just "burn" serveral thousands of dollars after they got them. I like to save and don't need any of this funky stuff. Why wou…

usually people coming from a non-rich/poor family might have this need for "Status". it's not usually about having value for your money, but most the time is about feeding the ego, feeling the power and sending a signal of success to the world around you.

It's not necessarily that, but do not get me wrong for a lot of people it is. Depending on who you are with, sometimes it is more about the fun. IMO it really depends on the person/crowd.

I own an automotive business and it is amazing how much networking goes on at SEMA after parties every year in Vegas. It's really truly depends on the person and who you are with.

Re: Make Money Online: Documenting 10 Years of Failure

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yep. This guy takes "get rich quick" to the next level. In that same time period he could have founded real startups with real products. Instead, he got 10 years of putting his blood, sweat, and tears into bullshit money making schemes.

Founding a real startup with real products also leads to failure most of the time. We just hear about the successes more often on HN.

I would imagine that online 'get rich quick schemes' have an even higher rate of failure than most startups. Perhaps 99.99% versus 90-95%?

Re: Make Money Online: Documenting 10 Years of Failure

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I have the firm belief that, being continually exposed to sketchy spam 10 years ago, made me extremely averse to advertising, clickbaits and affiliation. Today, I can't imagine the web without an adblocker, and I'm certainly avoiding giving money to a service when I'm prompted to by an ad. So, I may be wrong, but if the minority of "EnlargeYourMaleParts.com" hadn't polluted my visual field 10 years ago, it would be a…

I understand your aversion to ads. When I tried affiliate marketing, it made me sick just learning of the products shady companies were trying to trick consumers with. I quickly moved toward creating websites to offer useful content and including ads or affiliate links. Most of them failed to earn anything substantial.

I don't think you're wrong, but many great websites that provide content people really want rely on Adsense-type earnings to sustain themselves and afford the content creators the income necessary to continue producing it. It's unfortunate that the financial fate of some really great contributors is so closely tied to that of others who seem to produce little or no value. I wonder how those who offer high quality content via their own free website will continue to thrive.

Re: Make Money Online: Documenting 10 Years of Failure

#57
There are plenty of legitimate products out there to promote, but those Acai Berry/Weight loss rebill offers were really shady and one had to have absolutely no moral compass to promote those. Even newbies knew that they were flat-out scams(for the customer).

You would see marketers justifying these products by saying that the customers were suckers for not reading the TOS or that nothing was wrong with rebilling(citing Netflix,which is totally different; people knew it was a subscription unlike with these shady stuff) and stuff like that. It was amazing the lengths people went to fool themselves into thinking they weren't ripping people off.

Re: Make Money Online: Documenting 10 Years of Failure

#58

I thought this was yet another snakeoil article posted on hackernews. Too many of them around these days. (Markov chains for stock market profit?? Parsing stuff and oh-check out-my-awesome-SaaS?? Installing stuff and oh-click-my-DO-affiliate-link??) Turned out to be a humblebrag with no new insights into the affiliate networks. I think it basically states that the train has left and you are 10 years late.

Humblebrag? Maybe. But was there a promise of new insights into affiliate networks? He simply described his experience with online income, but he never claimed to provide fresh insight into the business.

Re: Make Money Online: Documenting 10 Years of Failure

#59

I enjoyed reading this because it's not something you usually see publicized. And as a single data point leads me to believe that there are some people really doing well with these sort of tactics - just not talking about. It's like the blackjack card counters in 1980's and 90's. They were successfully employing a system to pull money from casinos - but weren't talking about it. It was only when the MIT Team started…

Card counting was hardly top secret until MIT revealed it. Edward Thorpe's "Beat The Dealer" was published in 1962. It did enter a wider phase of popularity in the 80s, especially as easier to follow tactics were worked out.

Re: Make Money Online: Documenting 10 Years of Failure

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Like many, I was tempted into these same areas - driven by success stories and my own technical knowledge which fooled me into thinking it would be "easy". What I found is there's lot of money to be made in... telling people how to make money! Those guys like Shoemaker who have an almost cult following end up making an empire on those in the "pyramid" below them. Not to say this is shady, just that the real "riches"…

To be honest, HN is full of this stuff too - Double your freelancing - Guys who create a not-very-well-known startup and then start pushing guides on how to be successful - Email marketing, write 3 tutorials on topic X to build your list and then spam your ebook. Don't get me wrong, things are better targeted and less shady. It just feels like people spend more time selling their systems than they do using them. It l…

First you sell the stuff you mine from the ground, then you sell shovels to the miners, then you hire the miners and make them dig stuff out of the ground for you that you sell.

The final stage is selling miners to other mining companies.

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