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Re: The Windows Driver Frameworks are on GitHub

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Post by magamiako »

rplnt wrote: post #48
ikonst wrote: post #40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Last time I checked, code signing certificates could be had for $400 a year, not an exorbitant price to many tech enthusiasts.

However, being able to support the driver so it passes the certification process with every update is not something many tech enthusiasts would want to do.

What certification process? Driver signing does not need a WHQL certification and in fact, Microsoft isn't involved in the driver signing process at all. It's between you and whichever CA you choose to do your code signing.

Re: The Windows Driver Frameworks are on GitHub

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Post by brudgers »

pjmlp wrote: post #36
NicoJuicy wrote: post #26

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In this particular case, i'd prefer Windows above Oracle (Java) anytime, considering they deliver malware with their Java Setup... Edit: Some people give a link to an alterantive download without malware... You know 99% of all Java downloads don't know that, do you?

There isn't any malware when downloading from http://www.oracle.com/technetwork/java/javase/downloads/inde... Or when packaging the Java application with the runtime http://docs.oracle.com/javase/8/docs/technotes/tools/windows... Or using one of the commercial JVMs that compile Java to native code Or just bothering to read the dialog when installing it from Java.com. While it is true the bundling shouldn't exist in t…

My son gets the Ask crapware whenever he updates Java to play MineCraft on his computer. He's a child, not a Java Developer. He just wants to play MineCraft and Java is in his way and the Crapware loads by opt out.

Re: The Windows Driver Frameworks are on GitHub

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Post by gonvaled »

sliverstorm wrote: post #6
[deleted] wrote: post #4

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Let me see if I have this straight: - Keeps source closed. Is therefore evil. - Opens source. Must be up to no good, because is evil. This might qualify for the original meaning of, begging the question...

Well, they will need to do a bit more than that to change the prevailing perception that they are up to no good (see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Embrace,_extend_and_extinguish and http://www.theregister.co.uk/2001/06/02/ballmer_linux_is_a_c...)

And you rightly ask: how much time needs to pass by to forget about all that, and judge MS by its current behaviour? The answer is very subjective, but for me it is something like "a bazillion years".

Re: The Windows Driver Frameworks are on GitHub

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Post by dfox »

stinos wrote: post #28
frozenport wrote: post #20

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I can live with this. Buggy software drivers wreak havoc and security vulnerabilities. I routinely use expensive industrial equipment without signed drivers, and the problem seems to be a warning from the installer.

This seems to be the case indeed. The couple of times Windows BSOD'd on me was always because of faulty drivers and more often than not the unsigned ones.

IIRC the only BSOD I got on XP on my thinkpad since 2006 was caused by not even driver bug, but by driver that seems to have intentionally caused BSOD.

Re: The Windows Driver Frameworks are on GitHub

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Post by [deleted] »

NicoJuicy wrote: post #26
pjmlp wrote: post #24

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I like both eco-systems a lot, however Java is currently more open than .NET, specially if you look around for available certified JVMs.

In this particular case, i'd prefer Windows above Oracle (Java) anytime, considering they deliver malware with their Java Setup... Edit: Some people give a link to an alterantive download without malware... You know 99% of all Java downloads don't know that, do you?

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Re: The Windows Driver Frameworks are on GitHub

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Post by luisrudge »

pjmlp wrote: post #24
aceperry wrote: post #18

I must say, I'm very impressed with all of the open source moves that MS has done lately. I wonder if that will drive more adoption of C# and cause Oracle to open up Java. I'm not a fan of C# because it's basically only used on windows systems, despite xamarin and et al.

I like both eco-systems a lot, however Java is currently more open than .NET, specially if you look around for available certified JVMs.

You're kidding, right? Where is the source code for java compiler and jvm stuff? Can you send a pull request? Can you see the commits? Can you see design meetings about the language? Java is not more open than .NET in any way.

Re: The Windows Driver Frameworks are on GitHub

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Post by [deleted] »

[deleted] wrote: post #55
NicoJuicy wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In this particular case, i'd prefer Windows above Oracle (Java) anytime, considering they deliver malware with their Java Setup... Edit: Some people give a link to an alterantive download without malware... You know 99% of all Java downloads don't know that, do you?

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Re: The Windows Driver Frameworks are on GitHub

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Post by Rapzid »

pikachu_is_cool wrote: post #21
aceperry wrote: post #18

I must say, I'm very impressed with all of the open source moves that MS has done lately. I wonder if that will drive more adoption of C# and cause Oracle to open up Java. I'm not a fan of C# because it's basically only used on windows systems, despite xamarin and et al.

Yeah, especially since you need to pay a regular fee to use Xamarin, and it's not libre software either. If a free Xamarin came out I'd jump on the C# boat in a heartbeat, which I guess is what MS is trying to do with all this open sourcing (free software-ifying?).

I have used Xamarin Studio a lot in the past for free. It's the mobile stuff that costs extra. Now I lean a bit more toward Visual Studio as it is free for my purposes.

Re: The Windows Driver Frameworks are on GitHub

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Post by hughw »

luisrudge wrote: post #56
pjmlp wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I like both eco-systems a lot, however Java is currently more open than .NET, specially if you look around for available certified JVMs.

You're kidding, right? Where is the source code for java compiler and jvm stuff? Can you send a pull request? Can you see the commits? Can you see design meetings about the language? Java is not more open than .NET in any way.

Serious question -- is this not the source code page for the JVM? https://jdk8.java.net/java-se-8-ri/

Re: The Windows Driver Frameworks are on GitHub

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Post by XzetaU8 »

gonvaled wrote: post #53
sliverstorm wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Let me see if I have this straight: - Keeps source closed. Is therefore evil. - Opens source. Must be up to no good, because is evil. This might qualify for the original meaning of, begging the question...

Well, they will need to do a bit more than that to change the prevailing perception that they are up to no good (see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Embrace,_extend_and_extinguish and http://www.theregister.co.uk/2001/06/02/ballmer_linux_is_a_c... ) And you rightly ask: how much time needs to pass by to forget about all that, and judge MS by its current behaviour? The answer is very subjective, but for me it is somethin…

If by "judge MS by its Current behaviour" you mean the strong ties A.K.A. Strategic partnership with the Government/NSA then I'm afraid the answer is...never.

http://www.computerworld.com/article/2521809/government-it/n...

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/jul/11/microsoft-nsa-c...

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