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Microsoft is killing off the Internet Explorer brand

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Re: Microsoft is killing off the Internet Explorer brand

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Modern IE is actually pretty respectable. Its biggest issue is that unlike its competitors, it only works on a single platform.

As does Safari. Apple hasn't updated the Windows version in well over a year.

WebKit / JavaScriptCore run on both Windows and Linux.

Just because it's not packaged as Safari doesn't mean it's not available.

Re: Microsoft is killing off the Internet Explorer brand

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I've lost count of the number of times I asked someone what browser they used and was told "Yahoo."

About 4 years ago (note: not 14 years ago) my boss at the time told me "AOL" when I asked him that question. Immediately I thought he was joking, then I thought he must be mistaken and was telling me what his homepage was by accident. But then, to my horror, he showed it to me, and I realized he was completely correct. He was using some ugly purple "modern" version of an AOL browser that I didn't even know existed.

Interestingly, AOL is not archived here: http://browsers.evolt.org/

I do remember it, and WebTV, being two thorns in a web developer's sides back then.

Re: Microsoft is killing off the Internet Explorer brand

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I'm willing to give Spartan a chance, honestly. The ModernIE initiative taken by Microsoft the past few years feels like Microsoft gave IE to a team of competent engineers and told to run with it. They dropped support for older versions of IE and upgraded the technology behind it.

Firefox is too slow. As a power user I notice millisecond differences in page render times. I may be an outlier but I think most people who spend a lot of time on browsers will notice even small differences in load times. I've long switched from Chrome as my main browser, disliking the direction Google has been going with several of their products.

I might be an outlier, but I'll give Spartan a chance to impress. [As a side note, it's amazing how crippling to your reputation bad technology decisions are. IE 6-9 gutted respect for Microsoft]

Re: Microsoft is killing off the Internet Explorer brand

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> "We’ll continue to have Internet Explorer, but we’ll also have a new browser called Project Spartan" Oh joy, another browser from Microsoft to test. :\

I don't know why you were down voted. We have to support Ie7,8,9,10,11 and 11 for metro in and out of compatibility mode across three fucking platforms due to control styling differences. Now we have Spartan and whatever shtcrock will ship as legacy. We'll lose IE7 when vista is dead. We'll be left with enterprise IE11 well into 2028! Why? In financial services all our clients are cheap, dumb and incompetent. Unpatch…

Legacy will be IE11.

Re: Microsoft is killing off the Internet Explorer brand

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With this new CEO, Microsoft is a different company. Cloud & Mobile all the way. .NET/CLR is open-source. First class support for Linux and OS X. Commitment to standards.

At the risk of sounding like a complete lunatic, here's my prediction for the next 10 years:

* Microsoft abandon traditional Windows development. * They take a FreeBSD/Linux distro and add a "Windows" layer on top, ala Apple. Unix and Unix-like OS's become the only game in town. "Traditional" apps are emulated. New Apps are written in a CLR-compatible language only for the modern runtime. * IIS, IE, Sivelight - all are left to stagnate. * Office becomes HTTP/JS, hosted only.

Re: Microsoft is killing off the Internet Explorer brand

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If IE was an issue for users, pretty sure that means they'll continue to use Firefox or Chrome, not Spartan. If Microsoft wants to "win the browser war", in my opinion the best thing they could do would be to create their own WebKit (or even Chromium) distribution and have it installed in Windows by default.

That may work, but it would be bad for the market overall. The more browser engines we have the better, least of all we wind up in another IE6-like situation where one browser/engine rules the world and dictates web-features. PS - Yes, I know Google broke away from Apple's WebKit branch. But a lot of browsers are still very WebKit-like.

And that's also a pretty big reason why Microsoft may not want to be on WebKit. Google forked WebKit because it and Apple couldn't agree on what direction to take things. Why would Microsoft be able to work with either of Apple or Google than they could work together on WebKit? So it's very likely that it wouldn't be a WebKit-based browser, but a browser based on Microsoft's WebKit fork or Microsoft's Blink fork.

Re: Microsoft is killing off the Internet Explorer brand

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As does Safari. Apple hasn't updated the Windows version in well over a year.

WebKit / JavaScriptCore run on both Windows and Linux. Just because it's not packaged as Safari doesn't mean it's not available.

While this is true, there isn't really a common browser distribution that uses that setup for non-OS X platforms, though. Chrome/Chromium/Opera use Blink now.

For all practical purposes, Safari is an OS X-only browser.

Re: Microsoft is killing off the Internet Explorer brand

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I'm willing to give Spartan a chance, honestly. The ModernIE initiative taken by Microsoft the past few years feels like Microsoft gave IE to a team of competent engineers and told to run with it. They dropped support for older versions of IE and upgraded the technology behind it. Firefox is too slow. As a power user I notice millisecond differences in page render times. I may be an outlier but I think most people wh…

What browser do you use now? I agree with your points, but I've stuck with Chrome because of the range of extensions.

Re: Microsoft is killing off the Internet Explorer brand

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I'm willing to give Spartan a chance, honestly. The ModernIE initiative taken by Microsoft the past few years feels like Microsoft gave IE to a team of competent engineers and told to run with it. They dropped support for older versions of IE and upgraded the technology behind it. Firefox is too slow. As a power user I notice millisecond differences in page render times. I may be an outlier but I think most people wh…

I agree. Have you fired up the Windows 10 preview and enabled the new rendering engine in IE? It's a pretty good step forward so far, and I'd imagine the next build will be even better. AFAIK, Spartan itself should be in the next build.
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