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Lenovo Statement on Superfish

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Re: Lenovo Statement on Superfish

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Microsoft seems to have a vice like grip over OEM's regarding preloading windows on every product they sell without exception, IMHO this is a terrible thing, but can't they do at least a little good and prevent OEM's from shipping anything other than a pristine image with no preloaded software?

Surely the endless bundled crapware from every OEM just gives Windows a bad reputation in the long term. The popularity of chromebooks now are a testament to that.

Re: Lenovo Statement on Superfish

#52
I seriously consider stopping buying Lenovo laptops for the company I work with, I simply cannot go through the trouble of removing all of Lenovo pre-loaded crap each time I replace or buy a new machines.

I used to recommend Lenovo as a good laptop for work, with great quality hardware for the price but since a couple years my vision is shifting towards "Lenovo isn't what it used to be, I think we should stop ordering from them..." I had a lot of problems with defective hardware lately even on Thinkpad...

This news just adds to the pile of deception I had with Lenovo lately.

Re: Lenovo Statement on Superfish

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> The relationship with Superfish is not financially significant; our goal was to enhance the experience for users. I would prefer for this to be a lie than for it to turn out for this statement to be true. Surely nobody at Lenovo honestly belived that ad injection improved user experience?

I feel like many marketing professionals have deluded themselves into either thinking this is true or redefining enough words in their vocabulary that it becomes true. eg, If these ads result in people buying something, then that "proves" they were "useful" and thereby provided a "good experience" to the user.

I hear it all too much! Serious BS!

Re: Lenovo Statement on Superfish

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I was considering getting a Lenovo X1 Carbon to run linux on. I'd be installing a clean image, so no Superfish, but I still don't want to give money to Lenovo right now. What alternative linux laptops are there? (aside from macs)

Why does lenovo thinkpad have to be the only line of laptops that has a trackpoint by default? How hard can it be to include it for other brands? This is a very important feature for some people and it limits their choice to thinkpads and (AFAIK) some HP laptops.

I've had track points on hp and dell laptops (I always disable them)

Re: Lenovo Statement on Superfish

#55

Lenovo is saying exactly what they need to say in order to prevent their statement from being admitted as evidence in a lawsuit or legal proceeding. In other words, they just acknowledged it without admitting fault or liability.

If I base myself on that statement to decide that there's no need to remove the software, then get my bank account emptied, won't that backfire pretty hard on them?

Re: Lenovo Statement on Superfish

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"We have thoroughly investigated this technology and do not find any evidence to substantiate security concerns." Seriously?!

I expected that quote, but this one is even more off the rocker:

"The relationship with Superfish is not financially significant; our goal was to enhance the experience for users."

Right.

Re: Lenovo Statement on Superfish

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Lenovo is going to lose more through how they handle this than through the fact that they did it in the first place.

Sadly no. Businesses will still buy Thinkpads like candies.

There are some interesting corollaries that make this interesting from an InfoSec perspective.

Heart of the matter is that most consumers - whether personal or business users will have little to no visibility into this. And, even a smaller fraction will have the technical chops to remove this garbage unless there's a tool that's openly presented to them.

Since there are a ton of small businesses that purchase and consume laptops just as the come out of the box, I'm really interested in the industrial espionage potential with this.

Couple in all the PRISMish like revelations over the last year and a half, and I simply have trouble putting much faith in their, "oh, it's just to show better ads, sorry..." statement.

Re: Lenovo Statement on Superfish

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post #27

> The relationship with Superfish is not financially significant; our goal was to enhance the experience for users. I would prefer for this to be a lie than for it to turn out for this statement to be true. Surely nobody at Lenovo honestly belived that ad injection improved user experience?

This would SEEM obvious because as techies we hate ads. But you can't extrapolate this to the general population. There was one time when I visited my mother. We started her instant messaging program, and we were presented with special offers. I recognized it as such within half a second, so I almost automatically checked the 'Do not show this again' checkbox. My mother alarmed me: "No, do not make it go away! I want…

> supermarket special offers

Why would you not want to sign up to know about what discounts are available at your local grocery store, especially if you frequent it weekly.

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