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Post by skylan_q » Mon, Feb 02, 2015, 2:19 PM UTC

im3w1l wrote: post #39

dredmorbius wrote: post #18

99% of online advertisers give the rest a bad name. Not only is this why online advertising is ultimately doomed, but it's why we hugely and desperately and badly need to find another way of paying for content. The alternatives for the moment are gratis, patronage, "native advertising", and subscriptions. Few of these strike me as ultimately scalable. I've been a fan of Phil Hunt, of Pirate Party UK, and his broadban…

I used to think a broadband tax was a good idea, but I now worry that it would give politicians too much leverage over content producers. It is easy to see how they would try to ban porn, non-mainstream ideology and other inconvinient content from the system.

Post by kuschku » Mon, Feb 02, 2015, 2:36 PM UTC

antihero wrote: post #34

bambax wrote: post #24

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> 99% of online advertisers give the rest a bad name So true; remove "online" from the sentence above and it's even truer. > it's why we hugely and desperately and badly need to find another way of paying for content Not sure about that. Here are the ways I can think of we gain access to content: - by directly paying for it (books, movies, etc.) - by indirectly paying for it (ad supported newspapers articles and such…

What would be interesting is a sort of all-content-subscription - you pay X per month, and it's divvied up between the providers/owners of whatever you use. Kind of like a tax, but actually related to usage. Would be very difficult to have the trust and integration required for it to work though.

Post by brohee » Mon, Feb 02, 2015, 2:40 PM UTC

dangrossman wrote: post #47

mirekrusin wrote: post #30

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payment processing companies should be partially (fully?) responsible for this kind of scams. this seems to be reasonable force to make them find ways of filtering rouge clients. some of payment processing companies will freeze incoming payments up to 6 months for high risk clients for example. that's a good start.

Payment processing companies (of the traditional variety; I'm not sure about the newbies like Stripe) also require a list of the company's principals with their social security numbers when you open a merchant account. The purpose of that is to add those individuals to TMF/MATCH if the account is closed for some kind of abuse, like excessive fraud. Other banks check those lists before opening a new payment processing…

Post by Touche » Mon, Feb 02, 2015, 2:48 PM UTC

jerf wrote: post #43

bambax wrote: post #24

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> 99% of online advertisers give the rest a bad name So true; remove "online" from the sentence above and it's even truer. > it's why we hugely and desperately and badly need to find another way of paying for content Not sure about that. Here are the ways I can think of we gain access to content: - by directly paying for it (books, movies, etc.) - by indirectly paying for it (ad supported newspapers articles and such…

Patreon is saving the world, not AdBlock. It's still early but I expect in 10 years that "trying to make money via ads" is going to see "very 2010s", due to the lack of words for "something done from the late 1990s to the late 2010s". It just doesn't work. It almost works. It is so painfully close to working that we can taste it, which is why it has hung around so long. But eventually, advertising corrupts all souls.…

Post by mbesto » Mon, Feb 02, 2015, 2:59 PM UTC