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Re: Hi, It’s Google Corporate Development

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For a period I was heavily recruited by google. Their recruiters tried a great many variations of attempts to trick me into interviewing for a job. It seems weird that they would do this, because pretty soon, it would become obvious that it was a job interview and nothing more. Maybe there are a lot of talented engineers out there who are doing startups but aren't really committed to them and google manages via the f…

As a recruiter, I'd be curious to hear what tricks were played to get you to interview. I'm an independent, so when I speak to people there is never anything ambiguous about our discussions (my clients are not looking to acquire your product if you have one).

Is it possible that Google liked your product and subsequently thought you might be a good hire, but didn't like your product as a potential acquisition? That is where I think the difference lies. Were you contacted as "I'm from Google and we are interested in you", or "I'm from Google and we are interested in your product"? That is a big difference. The fact that you specifically mention "Their recruiters" would lead me to believe it was the former, but if they mention your product (beyond some acknowledgment of it) that might fall into a gray area.

Thousands of people abandon small side projects and independent businesses every year to join companies as an employee. Just because a company is recruiting someone who happens to have some product doesn't necessarily mean that the hiring company has interest in both the person and the product.

Re: Hi, It’s Google Corporate Development

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This is actually a good example of how to fumble a decent exit for a struggling app. This was written in April 2014 so we have the benefit of hindsight for evaluating this claim: "I’ve already built an £X million company in this area that was limited to the UK & Ireland; this time it’s global and I can easily get to twice £X million" Based on the number of reviews for roomscan I'm going to guess that getting to "twic…

$2M isn't really $2M. Spread it out over 4 years as $300k the first year, $400k the second, $500k the third, $800k the fourth. This is what's called 'golden handcuffs.' If he truly believed RoomScan could be a massive success and the market was showing adoption, his expected value is much higher for sticking with RoomScan, especially as he had sold his last company and didn't /need/ a few extra hundred thousand dolla…

I'm not sure how this still isn't two million dollars? I guess if you subtract the salary this person could be making if they paid him $2M up front and let him walk away?

Re: Hi, It’s Google Corporate Development

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post #41

For a period I was heavily recruited by google. Their recruiters tried a great many variations of attempts to trick me into interviewing for a job. It seems weird that they would do this, because pretty soon, it would become obvious that it was a job interview and nothing more. Maybe there are a lot of talented engineers out there who are doing startups but aren't really committed to them and google manages via the f…

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Re: Hi, It’s Google Corporate Development

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I take it the application is RoomScan ( https://itunes.apple.com/gb/app/roomscan-app-that-draws-floo... ). It's bugging me that I can't understand how it works, at least not in a way that would produce accurate results in most environments (i.e. No GPS). http://www.digitaltrends.com/home/roomscan-app-iphone-floor-... Anyone have any ideas?

The accelerometer and gyroscope. The double integral of acceleration is displacement. On iPhones/iOS it's extremely accurate to the point where you can integrate displacement from it and not be far off from the real result - over short timespans/distances anyways. One of the lesser-appreciated qualities of Apple hardware (more accurately, hardware and drivers) is the quality and accuracy of their sensors.

> The double integral of acceleration is displacement.

Have you actually tried this? I have and the results were totally unusably off. If the accelerometer that costs a few dollars at best could be that precise, you'd see thousands and thousands of new apps that would use it in creative ways. It's just from my experience you can't calculate displacement using an accelerometer that cheap and therefore you don't see iPhone apps that use it.

Re: Hi, It’s Google Corporate Development

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I was suggesting GPS wouldn't work with most rooms having ceilings. Wifi positioning I would imagine is highly inaccurate, which leaves the gyroscope. Judging by some screenshots and appstore comments I assume its only roughly accurate, and requires you to move your phone slowly between walls in straight lines (not via your pocket or around furniture for example). I think I would have immediately dismissed an idea li…

Ceilings usually aren't problematic for GPS. They do better out side, but if you get cell service through the ceiling, you'll get GPS signal through it. What I'm curious about is that GPS is only accurate to within a few meters. If I turn on my GPS and set it on my desk for an hour, the resulting track will look like it's bouncing around the room. My guess is this app averages a bunch of readings from each wall to co…

The cell signal is orders of magnitudes more powerful than the GPS one. In fact, GPS even has a noise floor that's higher than the signal.

As for using GPS, WLAN and others, you can get pretty accurate measurements with sensor fusion, even if the individual sensor values are all noisy or inaccurate.

From past experience I'd also expect GPS to not be available unless you're near a window. But if it's there you can use it to get a more accurate location.

Re: Hi, It’s Google Corporate Development

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

$2M isn't really $2M. Spread it out over 4 years as $300k the first year, $400k the second, $500k the third, $800k the fourth. This is what's called 'golden handcuffs.' If he truly believed RoomScan could be a massive success and the market was showing adoption, his expected value is much higher for sticking with RoomScan, especially as he had sold his last company and didn't /need/ a few extra hundred thousand dolla…

I'm not sure how this still isn't two million dollars? I guess if you subtract the salary this person could be making if they paid him $2M up front and let him walk away?

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Re: Hi, It’s Google Corporate Development

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Can you explain this claim? He googled the sender's name and came up with news of an acquistion with that person's name. Is the claim that the email wasn't really from MarXXXX?

Re-read it. #1 the recruiter (Maxine) didn't really work for the famous googler she claimed to work for. She worked for #2 who was just a regular old manager.

I see the claim that she is a recruiter in the article. I do not see the evidence for that claim.

I don't think the article establishes that googler #1 (with the name MARXXXXX) is Maxine. It's all very confusing; why mask out the name in one place, then use it elsewhere? And why would a web search turn up that MARXXXX exists and then we decide that Maxine may not exist "Max will never meet Maxine; she probably doesn’t even exist".

Where is the evidence that #1 works for #2? I see the claim, but what is it based upon?

Re: Hi, It’s Google Corporate Development

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post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

$2M isn't really $2M. Spread it out over 4 years as $300k the first year, $400k the second, $500k the third, $800k the fourth. This is what's called 'golden handcuffs.' If he truly believed RoomScan could be a massive success and the market was showing adoption, his expected value is much higher for sticking with RoomScan, especially as he had sold his last company and didn't /need/ a few extra hundred thousand dolla…

I'm not sure how this still isn't two million dollars? I guess if you subtract the salary this person could be making if they paid him $2M up front and let him walk away?

Time value of money, which in short summarized as "money available at the present time is worth more than the same amount in the future due to its potential earning capacity." [0]

[0] http://www.investopedia.com/terms/t/timevalueofmoney.asp

Re: Hi, It’s Google Corporate Development

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I take it the application is RoomScan ( https://itunes.apple.com/gb/app/roomscan-app-that-draws-floo... ). It's bugging me that I can't understand how it works, at least not in a way that would produce accurate results in most environments (i.e. No GPS). http://www.digitaltrends.com/home/roomscan-app-iphone-floor-... Anyone have any ideas?

The accelerometer and gyroscope. The double integral of acceleration is displacement. On iPhones/iOS it's extremely accurate to the point where you can integrate displacement from it and not be far off from the real result - over short timespans/distances anyways. One of the lesser-appreciated qualities of Apple hardware (more accurately, hardware and drivers) is the quality and accuracy of their sensors.

> One of the lesser-appreciated qualities of Apple hardware (more accurately, hardware and drivers) is the quality and accuracy of their sensors.

Not to mention their consistency across the entire product line. I assume there are some Android phones with similarly good sensors, but it's definitely not something a developer can assume.

For an unfortunate example of an game release delayed by Android sensors, check out http://gameovenstudios.com/bounden-on-android-delayed/

The video is sad but hilarious.

Re: Hi, It’s Google Corporate Development

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I take it the application is RoomScan ( https://itunes.apple.com/gb/app/roomscan-app-that-draws-floo... ). It's bugging me that I can't understand how it works, at least not in a way that would produce accurate results in most environments (i.e. No GPS). http://www.digitaltrends.com/home/roomscan-app-iphone-floor-... Anyone have any ideas?

The accelerometer and gyroscope. The double integral of acceleration is displacement. On iPhones/iOS it's extremely accurate to the point where you can integrate displacement from it and not be far off from the real result - over short timespans/distances anyways. One of the lesser-appreciated qualities of Apple hardware (more accurately, hardware and drivers) is the quality and accuracy of their sensors.

Sounds like what used to be called inertial navigation and was used on the US SSBN (intercontinental ballistic missile firing submarines) before the Navy's version of the later USAF's GPS.

Inertial navigation was good enough to be quite useful before the Navy's version of GPS.

The Navy's version of GPS was done, at least started, at the Johns Hopkins University Applied Physics Laboratory (JHU/APL). They had a receiver on the roof, and it routinely navigated itself to within a foot.

I heard about that project because for a while I was doing applied math (the fast Fourier transform, power spectral estimation) and writing software in the JHU/APL group that did the orbit determination calculations for the satellites.

That project was a good example of how to do the technical side of a very ambitious project:

(1) Problem. The US Navy very much needed a means of navigation for the SSBNs.

(2) One or a few physics guys at the JHU/APL had an idea, of course, in terms of Doppler shifts from several satellites, etc., on the back of an envelope.

(3) Not much later, the project was approved.

Biggie Huge Project Point: Not long after the back of the envelope solution, the whole project was low risk and high payoff with, really, only routine, low risk work remaining.

Lesson 1: The problem sponsors were able to evaluate the project just on paper.

Lesson 2: After a good evaluation just on paper, the rest of the project was low risk and high payoff.

Lesson 3: The Navy did not say: You do the work, put up the satellites, show that it all works, and we will buy receivers for each of the dozen or so SSBNs.

For Silicon Valley: Want to do great projects, low risk, high ROI? Part of what you need to be able to do is to evaluate projects just on paper.

Of course, what evaluates well just on paper is mostly just the technical part. But start with a biggie problem so that clearly, obviously, no evaluation, no customer feedback needed, the first good or a much better solution is a must-have and not just a nice-to-have and where, due to the size of the problem (e.g., number of happy people times earnings per person), for financial success all that is left is that first good or much better solution and that is just technical and can be evaluated just on paper.

This way of doing projects is much of why the US has GPS, why the US Navy has it's version of GPS, why in WWII Patton at the Battle of the Bulge praised the US proximity fuse (a little radar set inside an artillery shell that told the shell when to explode -- great for exploding near an airplane or over the heads of troops) from the JHU/APL, the SR-71, the F-117 (Saddam, sorry you spent all that money on air defense -- all of it never put even on scratch on even one F-117).

Ah, Silicon Valley will never do that, not now!

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