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Reversible USB Type C connector and 10 gigabit USB 3.1 are here

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Re: Reversible USB Type C connector and 10 gigabit USB 3.1 are here

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Post by pierrec »

post_break wrote: post #37
pdpi wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah, that's basically what Apple offers today on their thunderbolt monitors (except those still need a separate power cable). Hopefully we'll actually see a wider adoption of the concept once it's on commodity USB-C instead of the massively expensive thunderbolt.

Only problem I've seen is that the thunderbolt hubs cost over $200, plus the cost of the cable. And even then they only have a few ports.

The idea is that you can daisy-chain many devices without using a hub. Among thunderbolt devices, I believe most screens and high-end hard drives provide the two ports necessary for daisy-chaining. USB also supports this quite well, and high-end USB hard drives also generally include a port for this purpose.

It's an interesting comeback for the concept - it reminds me of daisy chaining PCs on their serial ports for playing Starcraft:

http://www.angelfire.com/nt/startupage/sc/FRAMES/SERIAL/3OR4...

Re: Reversible USB Type C connector and 10 gigabit USB 3.1 are here

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Post by lsaferite »

deskpro wrote: post #7

What I'm excited about here is monitor hubs. You plug your monitor into a power socket, and peripherals into the monitor's USB ports. You arrive at work, and only need to plug your laptop into the monitor. The monitor hub sends power and data from peripherals to your laptop. Your laptop sends video to the monitor all through the same cable.

Interesting note I haven't seen mentioned, the Alt mode negotiation is only possible for directly connected devices as it does not traverse hubs.

Re: Reversible USB Type C connector and 10 gigabit USB 3.1 are here

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Post by oh_sigh »

pinaceae wrote: post #15
Someone1234 wrote: post #2

If laptops can charge via USB, international travel will be so much nicer. USB has already made international travel much better (thanks to 90% of your key electronics being USB, and international USB adapters being cheap and reliable, or heck just buy a local one in each country, they're $5/each). Most laptops have a "brick" which works in most countries, but you still need to find the correct local cable or have an…

well, plus a super attack vector. plugging into power is safe, as no data access is possible. some high-sec site solder USB ports shut. already a headache with smartphones and tablets that use the single-port concept (USB, Lightning). that free USB charging station in beijing airport might not be so free after all...

This calls for a USB condom? http://www.zdnet.com/article/protect-your-devices-with-a-10-...

Re: Reversible USB Type C connector and 10 gigabit USB 3.1 are here

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Post by post_break »

pierrec wrote: post #51
post_break wrote: post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Only problem I've seen is that the thunderbolt hubs cost over $200, plus the cost of the cable. And even then they only have a few ports.

The idea is that you can daisy-chain many devices without using a hub. Among thunderbolt devices, I believe most screens and high-end hard drives provide the two ports necessary for daisy-chaining. USB also supports this quite well, and high-end USB hard drives also generally include a port for this purpose. It's an interesting comeback for the concept - it reminds me of daisy chaining PCs on their serial ports for p…

I know you can daisy chain, my point being that you get only a few ports, per $200+ device. Vs USB 3 where added usb ports, ethernet, etc is $20 a device.

Re: Reversible USB Type C connector and 10 gigabit USB 3.1 are here

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Post by lsaferite »

lsaferite wrote: post #49
cmsmith wrote: post #44

In reference to the 100W power carrying capacity: That seems to me like a lot of power to be sending through a 0.5mm wide contact pin separated from the data pin by another 0.5mm. I see elsewhere that they have upped the voltage to 20V, which reduces the current required - is that all it takes?

Power comes across 8 pins (4 Vbus, 4 Ground) From the spec: "3.7.7.4 Contact Current Rating (EIA 364-70, Method 2) A current of 5.0 A shall be applied collectively to VBUS pins (i.e., pins A4, A9, B4, and B9) and 1.25 A applied to the VCONN pin (i.e., B5 of the plug connector) with the return path through the corresponding GND pins (i.e., pins A1, A12, B1, and B12). A minimum current of 0.25 A shall also be applied i…

The Vbus/GND wires are 20-28 AWG.

Re: Reversible USB Type C connector and 10 gigabit USB 3.1 are here

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Post by baldfat »

goeric wrote: post #50
baldfat wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Latest rumor is Apple's Air is going to have only one USB 3.1 port for everything. http://9to5mac.com/2015/01/06/macbook-air-12-inch-redesign/ No maglock power supply, no display port, just the one port.

That's clearly fake, they wouldn't ditch Thunderbolt entirely.

All rumors are "Fake"

Re: Reversible USB Type C connector and 10 gigabit USB 3.1 are here

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Post by doczoidberg »

vineeth wrote: post #47
doczoidberg wrote: post #5

Even better than USB 3.1 is Wigig and wireless charging. Broadwell does support Wigig. Where are the Wigig docking stations now?

Wigig docking stations have been out for a while on Dell. Check out the Dell D5000: http://accessories.dell.com/sna/productdetail.aspx?c=us&cs=1...

It doesn't seem to work reliable with dell laptops even.

Re: Reversible USB Type C connector and 10 gigabit USB 3.1 are here

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Post by stouset »

stormbrew wrote: post #25
seanp2k2 wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Well, Nokia is on board, and I expect all the other mfgs will follow in 2015: http://www.theverge.com/2014/11/18/7239695/nokia-n1-first-ta... Welp, time to buy 15 new USB cables again! At least it's worth it this time, vs mini -> micro, which has been a lot less durable in my experience (the shape of the mini B connector + height made it a lot less likely to bend at the flexible plastic part you grab)

From mini to micro they moved the stress and failure points from the port to the connector. I'd rather replace a cable than a port, so imo it was a significant improvement.

I keep hearing this, yet somehow the micro-USB port on nearly every device I own has failed within a year or two of use. Not so for mini-USB.

Re: Reversible USB Type C connector and 10 gigabit USB 3.1 are here

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Post by stormbrew »

stouset wrote: post #58
stormbrew wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

From mini to micro they moved the stress and failure points from the port to the connector. I'd rather replace a cable than a port, so imo it was a significant improvement.

I keep hearing this, yet somehow the micro-USB port on nearly every device I own has failed within a year or two of use. Not so for mini-USB.

Well, anecdata and all but I've had rather the opposite experience. Mini ports that even new plugs just don't want to stay in and micro plugs where a new cable was all I needed.

Someone in this post has been talking about micro plugs outright breaking off in devices and I've never seen that at all.

Re: Reversible USB Type C connector and 10 gigabit USB 3.1 are here

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Post by stormbrew »

300bps wrote: post #33
seanp2k2 wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Wireless charging is pretty lame in that it only works I suspect Wigig will be as popular as WiDi, another Intel wireless technology: http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/WiDi Keep in mind how long it took Bluetooth to really take off and work reasonably well between devices (4.0 IMO): http://www.bluetooth.com/Pages/History-of-Bluetooth.aspx (Bluetooth is 15 years old). I remember having a Nokia 6600 back in 2003, with a S…

Wireless charging is pretty lame I've had a Lumia 928 for about 19 months now and I have to disagree. I haven't plugged the phone in - to anything - since I bought it. I find just thunking the phone down onto the Qi charger much more convenient than fiddling with cables. Some day we'll look back on wires in general and laugh at how primitive we were.

It's really something people don't get until they've used it for a while and have to go back, I think.
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