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What happens to your bike after it’s stolen

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Re: What happens to your bike after it’s stolen

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So what is the solution to bikes getting stolen? It seems like we cannot really make locks that are cheap enough to manufacture to prevent thieves from stealing bikes/harvesting them for parts. Do we put GPS trackers on all bikes? Can we enforce harsher punishment for bike thieves?

I think bait bikes are a good solution. Put out a few normal looking bikes with gps trackers in them, and have stiff fines for those who get caught. Making locks safe against an angle grinder isnt really feasible, but making someone think twice before even trying because it's a bait bike might work.

Only three problems with that:

Firstly, bait bikes are inevitably going to be cheap bikes. Thieves are more interested in expensive bikes - and if the expensive bikes are not only more profitable, but also safer to steal, then they're bound to step up their lock-picking and angle-grinding game.

Secondly, finding someone to organise this would be difficult. Any single organisation sufficiently large enough to do this would be bureaucratic enough to insist on the same make/model of bike (for the obvious homogeneity benefits), which would make them as obvious as an undercover Crown Vic. Conversely, any kind of grassroots or community effort would (by design) need to alert as many people as possible to the venture, including the bike thieves themselves - thus spoiling it before it even begins.

Finally, these things are chop-shopped almost the instant they get on-sold. Tearing a bike down can be done in a public park in 5 minutes flat with a pocket's worth of tools. The bike thieves can adapt a lot more easily than the sting operators.

Re: What happens to your bike after it’s stolen

#52
post #36
post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Can we enforce harsher punishment for bike thieves? Yes, you can, but you choose not to [1]. This is a drain on society beyond the mere cost of buying replacement bikes. Bike theft discourages (even prevents) people from riding bikes. It puts us back in our cars, and makes us more sedentary. People who have never even ridden a bike before and have $200 to buy one are discouraged from buying used bikes because of th…

I'm surprised that "stronger locks" is what folks resort to, instead of trying to address the underlying issue (be it through punishment or other means.) I live in a country (in Asia) where bikes are routinely left on the street and not stolen or burglarized, scooters are abound and also easily parked, and generally petty crimes are rare. Here I can also freely leave my phone on the table in a coffee shop and go abou…

It seems like if there are people willing to pay for expensive locks, if there was some sort of secure enclosure installed in various parts of the city that could be rented out just like parking lots - this would help more than locks.

Re: What happens to your bike after it’s stolen

#53

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think bait bikes are a good solution. Put out a few normal looking bikes with gps trackers in them, and have stiff fines for those who get caught. Making locks safe against an angle grinder isnt really feasible, but making someone think twice before even trying because it's a bait bike might work.

Only three problems with that: Firstly, bait bikes are inevitably going to be cheap bikes. Thieves are more interested in expensive bikes - and if the expensive bikes are not only more profitable, but also safer to steal, then they're bound to step up their lock-picking and angle-grinding game. Secondly, finding someone to organise this would be difficult. Any single organisation sufficiently large enough to do this…

Bait-cars work fine.

Re: What happens to your bike after it’s stolen

#54
post #36
post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Can we enforce harsher punishment for bike thieves? Yes, you can, but you choose not to [1]. This is a drain on society beyond the mere cost of buying replacement bikes. Bike theft discourages (even prevents) people from riding bikes. It puts us back in our cars, and makes us more sedentary. People who have never even ridden a bike before and have $200 to buy one are discouraged from buying used bikes because of th…

I'm surprised that "stronger locks" is what folks resort to, instead of trying to address the underlying issue (be it through punishment or other means.) I live in a country (in Asia) where bikes are routinely left on the street and not stolen or burglarized, scooters are abound and also easily parked, and generally petty crimes are rare. Here I can also freely leave my phone on the table in a coffee shop and go abou…

I agree. I also suspect we live near each other; you can contact me with this name using the Google stuff and maybe we can leave our smartphones on the table together sometime.

Re: What happens to your bike after it’s stolen

#55

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think bait bikes are a good solution. Put out a few normal looking bikes with gps trackers in them, and have stiff fines for those who get caught. Making locks safe against an angle grinder isnt really feasible, but making someone think twice before even trying because it's a bait bike might work.

Only three problems with that: Firstly, bait bikes are inevitably going to be cheap bikes. Thieves are more interested in expensive bikes - and if the expensive bikes are not only more profitable, but also safer to steal, then they're bound to step up their lock-picking and angle-grinding game. Secondly, finding someone to organise this would be difficult. Any single organisation sufficiently large enough to do this…

You make a couple of assumtions that are just weird.

There's no reason to assume tha bait bikes are going to be cheap bikes, nor that all bait bikes would be the same make and model.

Re: What happens to your bike after it’s stolen

#56
post #7

So what is the solution to bikes getting stolen? It seems like we cannot really make locks that are cheap enough to manufacture to prevent thieves from stealing bikes/harvesting them for parts. Do we put GPS trackers on all bikes? Can we enforce harsher punishment for bike thieves?

Long term, I think it's infrastructure changes and a more engrained bike culture that allows people to bring their bike inside with them more often. (Of course, maybe we just bring the thieves indoors then, but I bet the reduction in ease and opportunity corresponds with a reduction in theft.)

I ride two bikes, one worth stealing that simply never gets locked up outside, and another that nobody would ever want nor would I miss. When I ride the former, I only ride to places that allow me to take my bike inside: Roomy coffee shops or offices with storage for bikes.

Re: What happens to your bike after it’s stolen

#57
post #36
post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Can we enforce harsher punishment for bike thieves? Yes, you can, but you choose not to [1]. This is a drain on society beyond the mere cost of buying replacement bikes. Bike theft discourages (even prevents) people from riding bikes. It puts us back in our cars, and makes us more sedentary. People who have never even ridden a bike before and have $200 to buy one are discouraged from buying used bikes because of th…

I'm surprised that "stronger locks" is what folks resort to, instead of trying to address the underlying issue (be it through punishment or other means.) I live in a country (in Asia) where bikes are routinely left on the street and not stolen or burglarized, scooters are abound and also easily parked, and generally petty crimes are rare. Here I can also freely leave my phone on the table in a coffee shop and go abou…

Bikes are stolen all the time in Beijing. I got a pair of rollerblades because of that.

Re: What happens to your bike after it’s stolen

#58
post #8

> Any bike thief worth his shim knows you’ve got to liquidate the rolling booty via parts When I lived in New York in the mid-2000's it was pretty common to find folks trying to sell stolen bikes for $20 in public parks. Being younger with less sense and having lost a couple of bikes myself, I would sometimes get in their faces. That was a dumb idea, cf. the screwdriver anecdote in the article. It was also an open se…

My bike was stolen in London in 2009, the day before I went on holiday.

I found it on Gumtree (like Craigslist) the next day. I stuck the phone number in Google, and a load of other Gumtree adverts popped up -- "Call Dave" "Call Pete" "Call Andy". I sent this to the police. An officer phoned a few days later, and was really pleased and surprised at what I'd been able to do. She said she'd pass it on to the "intelligence team".

Nothing seems to have changed since then: https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=07796163182 (I picked one advert at random.)

Re: What happens to your bike after it’s stolen

#59
post #55

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Only three problems with that: Firstly, bait bikes are inevitably going to be cheap bikes. Thieves are more interested in expensive bikes - and if the expensive bikes are not only more profitable, but also safer to steal, then they're bound to step up their lock-picking and angle-grinding game. Secondly, finding someone to organise this would be difficult. Any single organisation sufficiently large enough to do this…

You make a couple of assumtions that are just weird. There's no reason to assume tha bait bikes are going to be cheap bikes, nor that all bait bikes would be the same make and model.

Bait bikes of a make/model make sense in a sufficiently bureaucratic organisation because it makes purchasing, tooling and technician training a hell of lot easier. Police cars (Crown Victorias) are obvious for the benefit of a few chases/crashes, when police fleets could have been a bit more surreptitious. I don't see a large organisations doing any different in selecting a "perfect bike to steal".

I assumed cheap bikes because of Ainmats[1] ratio of 1 in 100 bikes being trap bikes. 1 in 100 in any reasonably-sized city means tens/hundreds of thousands of dollars of kit (including GPS), and anyone with that kind of scratch has someone trying to minimise expenditure. Or, why spring for a Trek Butterfly to catch a hungry junkie when a Huffy would net hundreds of the same?

[1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=8818498

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