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The Death and Life of the 13-Month Calendar

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Re: The Death and Life of the 13-Month Calendar

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post #4

Why do we even have a 7-day week? 7 and 28 are just as arbitrary as 12. Why do we even have a solar year? If the year was 100 days, we could have a whole year of summer.

You're not going to convince either the Christians or the Jews to do a week that isn't 7 days long. That number is more or less fixed by the sizeable minority who need it for the rest of their habits.

The solar year is convenient so that one can speak of "the average historical weather for this month" and such... but it's true that many others have done lunar calendars etc.

Re: The Death and Life of the 13-Month Calendar

#52
post #2

"The International Fixed calendar sucked the personality out of marking time, making every week and month as predictable as humanly possible. [...] It's an impossible feat that doesn't need pulling off and, thankfully, no one is trying to anymore." Spoken like someone who's never had to write date handling logic. Having "personality" in your calendar system is a bug, not a feature. I feel confident that we could main…

An excellent video touching on some of the intractable aspects of our datetime-marking system's personality quirks: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-5wpm-gesOY

Re: The Death and Life of the 13-Month Calendar

#53
post #2

"The International Fixed calendar sucked the personality out of marking time, making every week and month as predictable as humanly possible. [...] It's an impossible feat that doesn't need pulling off and, thankfully, no one is trying to anymore." Spoken like someone who's never had to write date handling logic. Having "personality" in your calendar system is a bug, not a feature. I feel confident that we could main…

I've never felt any positive feelings towards any of the variances in how we keep time. "Oh golly gee, December's got a full 31 days, how exciting"

Re: The Death and Life of the 13-Month Calendar

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In addition to the 13 month calendar, I wish the year started in March or April. The beginning of Spring* makes more sense for a new year than the middle of winter. *I realize this is only true in the northern hemisphere, but 90% of the world's population lives in the Northern Hemisphere. The other 10% can start their year in the Fall.

This is how the calendar originally worked (DECemeber is 10th month), until politics intervened in ancient Rome.

Re: The Death and Life of the 13-Month Calendar

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Eviatar Zerubavel's Seven Day Circle is a detailed and complex history of time telling.

It really helps to understand that in a calendar we're trying to measure three distinct (and variable) cycles, none of which fits precisely into the others, and each of which imposes its own rhythms on human life. Attempts to break each from the current 7/12/365 basis have virtually all failed.

The first is the Earth's rotation about its own axis -- different when measured with respect to the stars or the Sun.

The second is that of the Moon about Earth.

The third is of the Earth about the Sun.

We overlay them on each other and pick rough correspondences.

Much of the division has to do with Babylonian time reckoning, based on 360, and its factors: 2 * 2 * 2 * 3 * 3 * 5. From that you find 2, 4, 5, 6, 8, 9, 10, 12, 15, 18, 20, 24, 30, 45, 72, 90, 180, and 360. A seven-day week doesn't fit this directly but is close (between 6 and 8), and a 30-day month also fits well.

Then you come to realize that all timekeeping, _especially_ that which picks a specific starting point, is arbitrary.

The book also details several attempts to change the system, particularly following the French and Russian revolutions (oh, and the reason for that being the October revolution -- and there's the question of what was the last nation to adopt the Gregorian calendar, and why the output of 'cal 1752' is what it is ... and why even _that_ is arbitrary (it depends on where you're specifying the date).

http://www.powells.com/biblio/61-9780226981659-2

Re: The Death and Life of the 13-Month Calendar

#58
post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Unless you were born Feb 29, I guess everyone's birthday is on the same day every year. Mine, for instance, is always on Sep 11, every single year.

You're confusing day (Monday, ...) with date (12th Dec).

He's pointing out that those stuck on a leap day are still stuck.

If you count by day-of-year when doing the conversion, though, it's the people born new year's eve on a leap year that are impacted.

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